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Cristian Romero

Bishop said:
I don't particularly think Oshimen is a realistic proposition for us, due to wages club status etc but regarding Oshimen the simple answer is that he's a far better player. We can't make decisions on whom we sign or don't based on trying to be nice to an existing player. We simply have to get the best and must suited player for our requirements. If that means Solanke becomes depth all the better.

Solanke is a decent player and I agree that I think Frank can get a bit more from him in terms of goal threat but even then you always have to ask the question if you can improve upon someone and if you can then you know what the answer should be. You keep doing that until you can't actually improve on your players anymore, at that point you team is going to be exceptional. Otherwise you're just settling and you will fall short.
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For sure we should be willing to upgrade on anyone.

But what upgrades give us the most value for money?

And for a player with reportedly sky high wage demands questions of what that does to our overall wage structure come in too. What would the total cost be and if we instead spent that money on other positions or other players what would give us more of an upgrade.

I also think questions of motivation are fair when a player chooses money over playing at a higher level.
 
braineclipse said:
For sure we should be willing to upgrade on anyone.

But what upgrades give us the most value for money?

And for a player with reportedly sky high wage demands questions of what that does to our overall wage structure come in too. What would the total cost be and if we instead spent that money on other positions or other players what would give us more of an upgrade.

I also think questions of motivation are fair when a player chooses money over playing at a higher level.
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As I was saying I don't think we can or will go for Oshimen. I was just contesting the idea that we have is good enough as it stands. It's just a thought process I often see used amongst Tottenham fans and I refute it.
 
IulianSteaua said:
Osimhen can play LW too. You can play him as CF or LW. Udogie can learn a lot from Hernandez, especially how to run back when we lose the ball. We don't have competition for him and he won't improve otherwise imo.
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Osimhen is no more a left winger than Harry Kane. It is just ridiculous to suggest that he could be deployed as a left winger, especially as he is one of the best strikers in the world.
 
Bishop said:
As I was saying I don't think we can or will go for Oshimen. I was just contesting the idea that we have is good enough as it stands. It's just a thought process I often see used amongst Tottenham fans and I refute it.
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Unless people directly say they don't want us to upgrade our squad because we're good enough as it stands I think it's a safe assumption that everyone wants us to upgrade.
 
braineclipse said:
Unless people directly say they don't want us to upgrade our squad because we're good enough as it stands I think it's a safe assumption that everyone wants us to upgrade.
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Agree, but I also feel like we're tweaking the squad at this point in our journey and already have an amazing team for the first game of the season.

It's not like seasons in the past where we have the big squad holes and are plugging them right up to transfer deadline day.

Saying that it's always easier for the departing, leaving or loaning player to be doing pre-season with the the club they'll be playing for in the coming season.
 
Muttley said:
Agree, but I also feel like we're tweaking the squad at this point in our journey and already have an amazing team for the first game of the season.

It's not like seasons in the past where we have the big squad holes and are plugging them right up to transfer deadline day.

Saying that it's always easier for the departing, leaving or loaning player to be doing pre-season with the the club they'll be playing for in the coming season.
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Amazing is a bit much imo. Decent is more a fair assesment I think along with better prepation and awareness of opposition strengths and weaknesses from the coach I expect to donate lot better than last year. However I think even at its best this squad lacks top quality, there just isn't anyone near the apex of their field in any position. We could improve the quality of the first 11 significantly and subsequently the chances of real progression with additions in most positions if we are honest.

I'm not one for settling, we should always be pressing forward and trying to improve otherwise you're actually going backwards as we saw in the latter half of Poch's reign.
 
Muttley said:
Agree, but I also feel like we're tweaking the squad at this point in our journey and already have an amazing team for the first game of the season.

It's not like seasons in the past where we have the big squad holes and are plugging them right up to transfer deadline day.

Saying that it's always easier for the departing, leaving or loaning player to be doing pre-season with the the club they'll be playing for in the coming season.
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We've three positions that need strengthening, DCM, RW and FB. None of our forward positions are amazing. Just compare the front 3 today to what it was 4-5 years ago. Plenty of potential in a lot of positions, but currently not amazing.
 
Bishop said:
Could you imagine playing Oshimen LW to accommodate Solanke up top.
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No, because Oshimen is by far the superior striker.
You would have to consider paying them up front together.

Anyway it is a moot point, we simply cannot afford the fee and his wages.

He is currently on about £256K a week, and quite understandably, he thinks if he gets a transfer he should have a big pay bump.

If I were he I would not worry about that. He will never play for Napoli again so he could always go on loan for a year and then leave on a free. He could then get a juicy signing on fee and a salary boost.

And now I am scratching my head wondering why I am discussing Oshimen in a Romero thread :oops:
 
NaijaSpurs said:
No, because Oshimen is by far the superior striker.
You would have to consider paying them up front together.

Anyway it is a moot point, we simply cannot afford the fee and his wages.

He is currently on about £256K a week, and quite understandably, he thinks if he gets a transfer he should have a big pay bump.

If I were he I would not worry about that. He will never play for Napoli again so he could always go on loan for a year and then leave on a free. He could then get a juicy signing on fee and a salary boost.

And now I am scratching my head wondering why I am discussing Oshimen in a Romero thread :oops:
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Bishop said:
Amazing is a bit much imo. Decent is more a fair assesment I think along with better prepation and awareness of opposition strengths and weaknesses from the coach I expect to donate lot better than last year. However I think even at its best this squad lacks top quality, there just isn't anyone near the apex of their field in any position. We could improve the quality of the first 11 significantly and subsequently the chances of real progression with additions in most positions if we are honest.

I'm not one for settling, we should always be pressing forward and trying to improve otherwise you're actually going backwards as we saw in the latter half of Poch's reign.
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So first game of the season, we play Burnley at home and this team takes to the field

Venom
Porro, Romero/Danso, VDV, Udogie
Bergval, Bentancur
Johnson, Madds, Tel/Richi
Solanke

We also have a £150-200m bench.

Who wins?

I'm not saying I don't want the sprinkling of stardust on this squad in the transfer market. Buying better players is always the agenda. However, I am definitely saying that the sum of the parts has to be better than we saw under Ange with the existing players. You can lay down any combinations of match day squads and elevens but the reality is that if we get things organised well under Frank we'll be in great shape. I'm also quite happy for the inevitable signature signings to earn the right to start games. Keep the culture going in the squad. Our squad is very good.

I bet I'm not the only one feeling optimistic and excited about the potential of this squad.
 
Muttley said:
So first game of the season, we play Burnley at home and this team takes to the field

Venom
Porro, Romero/Danso, VDV, Udogie
Bergval, Bentancur
Johnson, Madds, Tel/Richi
Solanke

We also have a £150-200m bench.

Who wins?

I'm not saying I don't want the sprinkling of stardust on this squad in the transfer market. Buying better players is always the agenda. However, I am definitely saying that the sum of the parts has to be better than we saw under Ange with the existing players. You can lay down any combinations of match day squads and elevens but the reality is that if we get things organised well under Frank we'll be in great shape. I'm also quite happy for the inevitable signature signings to earn the right to start games. Keep the culture going in the squad. Our squad is very good.

I bet I'm not the only one feeling optimistic and excited about the potential of this squad.
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Nothing against your thoughts and on paper we should have the better team between ourselves and Burnley. I just don't agree our squad is amazing. That's such a strong word and one that doesn't fit this squad. Barca have an amazing squad, PSG have an amazing side. What we have is decent. Top 8 standard.

If you really feel it's amazing be prepared to be disappointed unless your amazing doesn't actually mean amazing. 😅
 
we are in a stronger position than when Ange arrived 2 years ago, and the profile of the squad would indicate that even if we don't add huge numbers of higher value players, we will improve over the next three to four seasons if we keep the core of the squad intact. So Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Tel, Moore and likely Donely all come good for us, while we retain Romero, VDV, Udogie, etc.

The issue will be if we have another season of development for the youngsters, with them getting time due to injuries or management choice, then at the end of that if we don't win the the vultures will be circling for our biggest assets - and the cycle breaks down.
 
Surfless said:
we are in a stronger position than when Ange arrived 2 years ago, and the profile of the squad would indicate that even if we don't add huge numbers of higher value players, we will improve over the next three to four seasons if we keep the core of the squad intact. So Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Tel, Moore and likely Donely all come good for us, while we retain Romero, VDV, Udogie, etc.

The issue will be if we have another season of development for the youngsters, with them getting time due to injuries or management choice, then at the end of that if we don't win the the vultures will be circling for our biggest assets - and the cycle breaks down.
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Yeah. Need to keep that cycle going. Recruit well adding to those already talented young players, but also to the first team.

Part of why I really want us to keep Romero at the club for at least one more year. Can understand selling him, but potential downsides for the "cycle" if we're not moving in the right direction come the end of the season.

Selling at the right time should be part of our strategy, we haven't always gotten that right in the past. But not sure this is the right time for Romero.
 
braineclipse said:
Yeah. Need to keep that cycle going. Recruit well adding to those already talented young players, but also to the first team.

Part of why I really want us to keep Romero at the club for at least one more year. Can understand selling him, but potential downsides for the "cycle" if we're not moving in the right direction come the end of the season.

Selling at the right time should be part of our strategy, we haven't always gotten that right in the past. But not sure this is the right time for Romero.
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If we could rely on him to stay focused and fit, if we don’t get the price we want, I’d keep him for another year based on the thinking above.

It’s a gamble though, particularly in a World Cup year and what history tells us about Romero’s focus when he’s distracted / doesn’t have a clear goal to focus on ie winning the Europa league.
 
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