I'd also like to add that possession based football ≠ boring football.
I'd far rather go to a match and watch Spurs pass the ball around than watch them chase around the pitch while another team passes the ball.
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Circus ManUnitus - Nobody's At The Wheel
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I'd far rather go to a match and watch Spurs pass the ball around than watch them chase around the pitch while another team passes the ball.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Wouldn't shock me if they lost against West Ham. I think they'll beat Bournemouth, Norwich, Swansea and Saudi Sportswashing Machine without any difficulty. I think they might not find the other games as easy. I'm not suggesting that they will not win them, just that the games could be a tougher challenge and so, I expect them to drop points in some of those.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
But the ball has to be passed with purpose. it's the apparent lack of purpose that creates the boredom.
I think the key word there is apparent.
Unless the game is already won then I can guarantee the ball is being passed with a purpose other than just passing the ball.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
So, when we were managed by AVB, we were purposefully being turgid?
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Fans are just dingdongs these days. It's 'no longer just about results' and everyone thinks they are some kind of football management guru. If you asked the current top 6 'Are you happy with your manager' you'd probably get:
City - I'd say 50% are happy, most would get rid if someone perceived as 'better' was available
Arsenal - Probably 50% again, with half actually genuinely wanting Wenger out
Leicester - Obviously all are happy, but the majority did not want Raneiri to begin with (which for a club the size of Leicester is silly)
United - Again there are fans genuinely wanting him replaced because his 'boring' football isn't the 'United way'
Us - Probably one of the few teams where most are happy with the manager but he's always only a couple of bad performances from being 'another AVB turgid system manager'
West Ham - I don't know or care enough about any West Ham fans to know. Guessing they are delighted right now though.
Leicester and West Ham are obviously surpassing expectations currently, so you'd expect them to be happy.
City - I'd say 50% are happy, most would get rid if someone perceived as 'better' was available
Arsenal - Probably 50% again, with half actually genuinely wanting Wenger out
Leicester - Obviously all are happy, but the majority did not want Raneiri to begin with (which for a club the size of Leicester is silly)
United - Again there are fans genuinely wanting him replaced because his 'boring' football isn't the 'United way'
Us - Probably one of the few teams where most are happy with the manager but he's always only a couple of bad performances from being 'another AVB turgid system manager'
West Ham - I don't know or care enough about any West Ham fans to know. Guessing they are delighted right now though.
Leicester and West Ham are obviously surpassing expectations currently, so you'd expect them to be happy.
So lets talk about that ..
- no, when fudging product prices have gone up 700% in last decade or so, people probably have a right to ask for some entertainment along with that.
- Re United, if LVG had come to Spurs (not a side that won the title 2 seasons ago), spent that kind of money and was playing the brick they play, I'd be upset.
- I'd argue all day long that people perception of Wenger is skewed by his first 7 years, his last 7 or so have not been that good. This season is the perfect example of his judgement being gone, had the Scum invested in a quality striker (and they don't have cash flow problems, this is supposedly why they built new stadium) and maybe one more midfielder with some defensive bite, the title would probably be theirs, so in my view, more than 50% should want Wenger out (unless they are happy playing for the 4th place trophy)
I really don't understand the view, Spurs of all clubs has never been "result only" so we more than most should understand trying to play the game the right way.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
entertainment is subjective
if the prices go up 700% and you no longer feel the product is value for money, stop buying it
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Price isn't really the issue though is it. Look at all the noise Liverpool fans have made over the last two years about ticket prices, yet they leave early.
If the entertainment is there people will go and stay to the end. But it's not for the bigger teams in most games. Either then win fairly comfortablely and people leave early, or they are getting beat and they leave early. Most fans don't actually know what an entertaining game is.
Of course Liverpool fans are deluded and think they are a big club.
If the entertainment is there people will go and stay to the end. But it's not for the bigger teams in most games. Either then win fairly comfortablely and people leave early, or they are getting beat and they leave early. Most fans don't actually know what an entertaining game is.
Of course Liverpool fans are deluded and think they are a big club.
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Agree, its all about supply and demand and if fans want to bitch about ticket prices well then do not buy them. I know guys who spend a fortune of eating out, going to the pubs, buying eurodance records etc etc. Football is no different and you touch yourself and takes yer choice.
SUIYHA
Scott Parker
There are very few of the elite clubs in world football who don't play attractive, attacking football. Sure, it's easier to do with better players who have a certain level of technique to pass and control the ball quickly and to take on opposition defenders with tricky dribbling. But it's also because the bigger clubs are global brands that have global fan bases to cater for. Trophies alone aren't enough, you have to entertain the fans while winning them. The only notable exception in the past decade that really springs to mind are the teams managed by Mourinho - even then the Real Madrid fans hated him and Abramovic hated is style of football so much the first time that he sacked him despite being very successful at delivering trophies.
Playing negative, defensive football and grinding out 1-0 wins doesn't win you new fans. It doesn't inspire star players to want to join your team (unless you throw huge amounts of money at them). It doesn't get you the media exposure and large sponsorship contracts. My interest in Spurs really started to wane during the Graham era, and even though results were generally better in the AVB era than they were under Jol or Ramos, I still look back on those times more fondly because we played some gorgeous football at times under them. Sticking 5 past Arsenal, 4 past Chelsea, 6 past Reading, 5 past Fulham, 4 past West Ham and playing Chelsea off the park in the cup final all in a 3 month period...those were fun times.
Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate a backs to the wall, defensive, tactical masterclass to beat a top side every so often. But when your manager lines up with two defensive midfielders at home to Norwich and grinds out a bore draw with barely a notable effort on goal all match, that's not acceptable. I've watched more football matches than I can remember and 90 minutes of my time and undivided attention is precious, let's not even talk about the ticket prices. I don't expect Spurs to necessarily be the best team in the land but I do expect us to be fun to watch. Luckily this season, we appear to have found the right balance between getting results and playing football at the same time.
Playing negative, defensive football and grinding out 1-0 wins doesn't win you new fans. It doesn't inspire star players to want to join your team (unless you throw huge amounts of money at them). It doesn't get you the media exposure and large sponsorship contracts. My interest in Spurs really started to wane during the Graham era, and even though results were generally better in the AVB era than they were under Jol or Ramos, I still look back on those times more fondly because we played some gorgeous football at times under them. Sticking 5 past Arsenal, 4 past Chelsea, 6 past Reading, 5 past Fulham, 4 past West Ham and playing Chelsea off the park in the cup final all in a 3 month period...those were fun times.
Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate a backs to the wall, defensive, tactical masterclass to beat a top side every so often. But when your manager lines up with two defensive midfielders at home to Norwich and grinds out a bore draw with barely a notable effort on goal all match, that's not acceptable. I've watched more football matches than I can remember and 90 minutes of my time and undivided attention is precious, let's not even talk about the ticket prices. I don't expect Spurs to necessarily be the best team in the land but I do expect us to be fun to watch. Luckily this season, we appear to have found the right balance between getting results and playing football at the same time.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Indeed and most great sides start off with a secure defence.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
If i were Emirates Marketing Project or Arsenal i'd be very worried about LVG and Manure.
Yep, their football looks turgid because their attacking play is lacking a bit atm, but there defence is ROCK SOLID and they are only 2 points behind...
Yep, their football looks turgid because their attacking play is lacking a bit atm, but there defence is ROCK SOLID and they are only 2 points behind...
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
as i've boringly repeated many times, people get far too obsessed with goals, keepers make saves and defenders make tackles that require just as much technical ability and can have just as much beauty as the finest strike, they are all part of the game and can have just as much influence on the result
I was chatting with my Uncle (a Fulham season ticket holder) last week, he was complaining about MOTD often headlining 0-0's when there was multiple goals in other games and that is what people tune in to see, I obviously disagree, I want to see good football, if its a good goal, i'll enjoy it, if its a midfielder perfectly reading a run and being in just the right place to intercept i'll enjoy that too
obviously i'll cheer a Spurs goal like a lunatic whereas i'll merely applaud an equally important Lloris save, mainly because its worth a point on the scoreboard and makes a result more likely but also because if I was to show the same level of outward appreciation people would think I was crazy
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
yep, and LVG has a track record of teams improving over a season and peaking when it matters
Craig_J
Mido
Yes they would and yes I do but I'd also admire your enthusiasm and positivity. Next time your at the Lane and Lloris pulls of a wonder save scream and jump up and down untill your hearts content. Maybe then you'll be the next one headlining MOTD
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