AVB

[glorygloryeze]

He learnt quotes that blame everyone else from the best at it, I do not have to mentioned his name.

Who do you mean? I have no idea who you're referencing here..

 

[parklane1]

Who do you mean? I have no idea who you're referencing here..

I dare not mentioned his name on here as some get quite upset.

 

[Jurgen the German]

The facts back it up.

Captain Bellend significantly increased both our expected goals scored and conceded per game. This was when Ade was on a ridiculous hot streak and virtually every shot ended up as a goal.

Unless we're suggesting that Ade is one of the top four strikers in the world over the long term (and I hope for your sanity that you're not) then it's a very reasonable expectation that the goals scored would dip quite heavily when his hot streak ended. That would then leave us conceding more than we were but not scoring more - only an imbecile (or Captain Bellend's mum) could think that the long term outcome of that is a good one.

Just to show its not a fluke, he's done precisely the same at Villa and again, they have a striker on a hot streak. When that ends (and it will either because Benteke's not permanently that good or because he is that good and therefore too good for Villa) then the same problem remains. It probably won't be that bad for them as mid table is currently a high aspiration for them but it would have been a disaster for us.

Yeah, I'm not saying he's a top manager or even a good manager, but AT SPURS, his results were similar to AVB's no matter how you try to manipulate the arguement to make it look like he got lucky. AVB had a few lucky penalties in games where we were completely useless, but he has a nice beard and a raspy voice so I guess it was all planned.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I expect Sherwood to be sacked by Xmas after he's belittled the players ('none of em got any heart'), the board ('they aint got a big club mentality and wont spend on proper players') and the fans ('they don't know how good they've had it under me; i mean when was the last time they got to an FA Cup final? What the 1950s?').

I look forward to the excuses dolled out for him then..

I don't think anyone is making excuses for him. It's just some think he isn't the worst manager in the history of the game like Scara seems to think.

 

[Jurgen the German]

It will not surprise me at all to see him manager at Madrid or Barca one day.

You are deluding yourself if you think he will manage there. He failed at one top club in Europe already. Plus both clubs demand attacking football, AVB plays slow, possession based football that neither club will stand for unless they win every trophy going, and he's not that good to achieve that kind of success.

 

[glorygloryeze]

I don't think anyone is making excuses for him. It's just some think he isn't the worst manager in the history of the game like Scara seems to think.

I thought it's simply many think he's brick AND a clam (horrendous mix)

 

[parklane1]

You are deluding yourself if you think he will manage there. He failed at one top club in Europe already. Plus both clubs demand attacking football, AVB plays slow, possession based football that neither club will stand for unless they win every trophy going, and he's not that good to achieve that kind of success.

Well we will see, as for deluding myself have a look in the mirror or better still your crystal ball if you really are sure he never will.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Lol, is this a fancy way of you saying "I know the PL well but not the Russian or Portuguese leagues so they must be crud and uncompetetive"?

I'm happy for you to lay out some detail showing how our league is more competitive than Russia's (or even Portugal's for that matter)...

If the roles were reveresed and Sherwood was winning titles in Russia, are you seriously suggesting that people like you, Scara, Parklane etc would praise him? You'd be saying it's a nothing league just like a lot are saying for AVB.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Yeah, I'm not saying he's a top manager or even a good manager, but AT SPURS, his results were similar to AVB's no matter how you try to manipulate the arguement to make it look like he got lucky. AVB had a few lucky penalties in games where we were completely useless, but he has a nice beard and a raspy voice so I guess it was all planned.

Same as AVB? Really? I think if you look at AVB's best results and performances in the whole of his tenure i doubt Sherwood's equivalents would compare at all.
Granted, Sherwood was only with us a few months, but people can use AVB's first few months as a good time that went awry later on...how much worse would Sherwood's have gotten if he was at the helm as long as AVB??

 

[glorygloryeze]

If the roles were reveresed and Sherwood was winning titles in Russia, are you seriously suggesting that people like you, Scara, Parklane etc would praise him? You'd be saying it's a nothing league just like a lot are saying for AVB.

In what fantasy world would Sherwood be 'managing and winning titles in Russia'?
Sherwood is being judged on the job he does in the league HE knows best and is most comfortable

 

[Jurgen the German]

I thought it's simply many think he's crud AND a clam (horrendous mix)

In what fantasy world would Sherwood be 'managing and winning titles in Russia'?
Sherwood is being judged on the job he does in the league HE knows best and is most comfortable

Ah I know, only real top managers can win titles in Russia. It's where all the greats like Fergie, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Shankley and Clough went to test their mettle.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Ah I know, only real top managers can win titles in Russia. It's where all the greats like Fergie, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Shankley and Clough went to test their mettle.

Ultimately only top managers win titles, period. Sherwood is a loudmouth clown, not fit to lick the boots of most managers - including likely those managing in Russia

 

[Jurgen the German]

Same as AVB? Really? I think if you look at AVB's best results and performances in the whole of his tenure i doubt Sherwood's equivalents would compare at all.
Granted, Sherwood was only with us a few months, but people can use AVB's first few months as a good time that went awry later on...how much worse would Sherwood's have gotten if he was at the helm as long as AVB??

Yeah more or less. AVB won at United, Sherwood also did against an inferior United side to be fair, but didn't get dingdonged at home 3-0 to West Ham, our first loss at home to that shower in 14 years.

Performances wise they were both up and down; Sherwood got good results away to Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Soton, but produced some terrible displays against the top teams. AVB had emphatic wins and grinded out wins, but also had some absolutely dire performances, especially in home games where we barely created a meaningul chances.

I'm not disagreeing, I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, Sherwood was not the right fit for the club.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Ultimately only top managers win titles, period. Sherwood is a loudmouth clown, not fit to lick the boots of most managers - including likely those managing in Russia

Are Neil Lennon and Gordon Strachan top managers? They both won titles.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Are Neil Lennon and Gordon Strachan top managers? They both won titles.

Both far FAR better than Sherwood

 

[Jurgen the German]

Well we will see, as for deluding myself have a look in the mirror or better still your crystal ball if you really are sure he never will.

I would be seriously surprised if either club did. But then again, I imagine he uses loads of fancy words in interviews and wows people and Real have made some shoddy employments in the past.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Are Neil Lennon and Gordon Strachan top managers? They both won titles.

Also, are you comparing the Scottish and Russian leagues? If so, in what way, and can you lay out details to back up your claims?

 

[Baleforce]

You are deluding yourself if you think he will manage there. He failed at one top club in Europe already. Plus both clubs demand attacking football, AVB plays slow, possession based football that neither club will stand for unless they win every trophy going, and he's not that good to achieve that kind of success.

he's managed three top clubs in Europe, he's won league titles with two of them

one of which involved an unbeaten league season and a european trophy

he took a financially astute middling English side to their highest ever points finish

sherwood on the other hand hasn't won any titles

hasn't managed to go more than 5 games unbeaten

has taken a billionaire owned middling English side to safety on the penultimate day of the season and the biggest thrashing in an fa cup final for half a century

it's a coin toss isn't it

 

[parklane1]

I would be seriously surprised if either club did. But then again, I imagine he uses loads of fancy words in interviews and wows people and Real have made some shoddy employments in the past.

So you admit that you would be surprised if the clubs offered him a job, just like I said I would not be surprised if they did. Delusion has got nothing to do with it ( just opinions),

 

[Jurgen the German]

Also, are you comparing the Scottish and Russian leagues? If so, in what way, and can you lay out details to back up your claims?

You said "only top managers win titles", you didn't specify which leagues they won them in.