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Jurgen you really do seem to have a problem with anything good said about AVB, for someone that was recently wondering why posters get 'worked up' over Bale, despite not playing for us for two years, i have to say you're doing a very good impression of someone getting worked up over a former manager
 
Robspur12 said:
This is going round in circles. Yes Kane has won us a lot of points but he is the lone striker, the spear head of our attacks, he is expected to score most of the goals that's his role. His goals are created in the main, as part, of progressive team play, created by eriksen Chadli, dembele! Lamela rose etc. after Christmas under AVB, Defoe's goals dried up iirc and then it was literally all about bale, a midfielder, scoring and creating goals because our strikers were not scoring having much of a hand in our goals.
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It is indeed going round in circles. You talk as if Kane was expected to lead our line at the beginning of this season: did YOU expect him to? Did YOU EXPECT him to score as many as he has done?
Did you expect Bale to score as many as he did? Perhaps both managers managed the teams to our strengths; Defoe's goals dried up so AVB decided to keep us competitive and make full use of another big weapon we had: Bale. Kane: playing because the two more senior strikers we had were playing like brick. Games and goals for those strikers dried up.
Same thing. And to dismiss the assists that Bale was getting due to how we AVB had changed our set-up to benefit him (and ultimately the team/cub) is just getting beyond a jok.
 
billyiddo said:
Jurgen you really do seem to have a problem with anything good said about AVB, for someone that was recently wondering why posters get 'worked up' over Bale, despite not playing for us for two years, i have to say you're doing a very good impression of someone getting worked up over a former manager
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I'm not worked up at all I'm perfectly calm. I'm not saying he's a crap manager, he's just a failed commodity in England and not as great as lot on here make out.
 
I genuinely do think he is going to be an incredibly successful manager. It's football's dirty secret at the moment but the game is evolving into one of control and opportunity limitation, he has excelled at that at times. People will tinkle and moan about it, we want flair this and gung-ho that, but that isn't where the game is going.
 
glorygloryeze said:
It is indeed going round in circles. You talk as if Kane was expected to lead our line at the beginning of this season: did YOU expect him to? Did YOU EXPECT him to score as many as he has done?
Did you expect Bale to score as many as he did? Perhaps both managers managed the teams to our strengths; Defoe's goals dried up so AVB decided to keep us competitive and make full use of another big weapon we had: Bale. Kane: playing because the two more senior strikers we had were playing like crud. Games and goals for those strikers dried up.
Same thing. And to dismiss the assists that Bale was getting due to how we AVB had changed our set-up to benefit him (and ultimately the team/cub) is just getting beyond a jok.
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honestly mate I am not trying to be just argumentative here. If AVB set bale up for his goals by telling the other 9 players to get out of his way when he has the ball that hardly goes down as an endorsement Of a coach's ability. Literally any pleb could do that. I rather suspect in reality what happened is that Bale took it upon himself to create and score the goals because no one else was doing it thanks to the lack of emphasis on our attacking play. As for your point about bale and Kane, well bale clearly had the ability to be a great player before AVB arrived. AVB didn't create that. Whereas many Spurs fans had written off Harry kane yet Mopo has turned him from a perennial loanee to a multi million pound striker. Now that IMO is exceptional coaching. And he did it with several players at Soton that's why Spurs fans should be patient with this guy what ever happens this season.
 
galeforce said:
I genuinely do think he is going to be an incredibly successful manager. It's football's dirty secret at the moment but the game is evolving into one of control and opportunity limitation, he has excelled at that. People will tinkle and moan about it, we want flair this and gung-ho that, but that isn't where the game is going.
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I'm not convinced. It didn't serve Chelsea too well in the CL this season, PSG took the game to them and were rewarded. Football goes in cyclyes. There will always be successful teams at both end of the spectrum i.e. expansive or cautious football.
 
Robspur12 said:
honestly mate I am not trying to be just argumentative here. If AVB set bale up for his goals by telling the other 9 players to get out of his way when he has the ball that hardly goes down as an endorsement Of a coach's ability. Literally any pleb could do that. I rather suspect in reality what happened is that Bale took it upon himself to create and score the goals because no one else was doing it thanks to the lack of emphasis on our attacking play. As for your point about bale and Kane, well bale clearly had the ability to be a great player before AVB arrived. AVB didn't create that. Whereas many Spurs fans had written off Harry kane yet Mopo has turned him from a perennial loanee to a multi million pound striker. Now that IMO is exceptional coaching. And he did it with several players at Soton.
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o_O
 
Robspur12 said:
honestly mate I am not trying to be just argumentative here. If AVB set bale up for his goals by telling the other 9 players to get out of his way when he has the ball that hardly goes down as an endorsement Of a coach's ability. Literally any pleb could do that. I rather suspect in reality what happened is that Bale took it upon himself to create and score the goals because no one else was doing it thanks to the lack of emphasis on our attacking play. As for your point about bale and Kane, well bale clearly had the ability to be a great player before AVB arrived. AVB didn't create that. Whereas many Spurs fans had written off Harry kane yet Mopo has turned him from a perennial loanee to a multi million pound striker. Now that IMO is exceptional coaching. And he did it with several players at Soton.
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I agree Poch is doing great things with Kane atm and did great things with some of those Soton players.
Bale's previous manager in his previous two years presided over big end of season flops. If 'any pleb' could get Bale to score over twenty league goals in one season, especially with a team far more skilled than the one AVB took over (after losing Modric, VDV and King) then Harry would have likely still been in the job right now (after succesive CL qualifications).
 
Robspur12 said:
honestly mate I am not trying to be just argumentative here. If AVB set bale up for his goals by telling the other 9 players to get out of his way when he has the ball that hardly goes down as an endorsement Of a coach's ability. Literally any pleb could do that. I rather suspect in reality what happened is that Bale took it upon himself to create and score the goals because no one else was doing it thanks to the lack of emphasis on our attacking play. As for your point about bale and Kane, well bale clearly had the ability to be a great player before AVB arrived. AVB didn't create that. Whereas many Spurs fans had written off Harry kane yet Mopo has turned him from a perennial loanee to a multi million pound striker. Now that IMO is exceptional coaching. And he did it with several players at Soton that's why Spurs fans should be patient with this guy what ever happens this season.
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Agreed. You can credit AVB for using Bale in a way that got the best out of him, but what about the rest of the team? Unless the plan was to render most of them ineffective, I don't see that as a great gameplan.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I'm not convinced. It didn't serve Chelsea too well in the CL this season, PSG took the game to them and were rewarded. Football goes in cyclyes. There will always be successful teams at both end of the spectrum i.e. expansive or cautious football.
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you can be either and still utilise this, obvious comparisons can be made between Jose's Madrid and Pep's Barca, very differing styles but both built upon the base principle that you stop the other team playing first, if anything, "expansive" Barca took this further with their full court press
 
Jurgen the German said:
Agreed. You can credit AVB for using Bale in a way that got the best out of him, but what about the rest of the team? Unless the plan was to render most of them ineffective, I don't see that as a great gameplan.
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Well, which of our outfield players who 'were rendered ineffective' by the 'play it to Bale' tactics have been MORE effective since AVB has gone?
 
Jurgen the German said:
Agreed. You can credit AVB for using Bale in a way that got the best out of him, but what about the rest of the team? Unless the plan was to render most of them ineffective, I don't see that as a great gameplan.
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I think thats misreading it, it wasn't to make them ineffective, the overall goal was still to win the game, they were just utilised to be effective in different ways, I don't recall Carlos Bilardo getting criticised in the same way.

Lets also not forget Bale got an injury late in that season and missed a few games, some of which we still won.
 
This thread is literally the forum version of Groundhog Day - i don't know wether to laugh or smash my ipad on the floor :D
 
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