AVB

[Baleforce]

Some of them, but his failure at Chelsea is also a big factor that you and some other posters are overlooking because you like AVB.

I don't consider his time at chelsea a failure, I think he was a victim of a seismic shift in policy from Abramovich

 

[parklane1]

I do get that Parklane. I just think the achievement has been exaggerated because he was in the fortunate position of having had an exceptional player playing out of his skin. His second season provided a more realistic perspective on his abilities IMO.

16 games ( Prem) into his second season after the sale of Bale aad trying to introduce 7 new players into a system. Not sure you could call that a more realistic perspective at all.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I don't consider his time at chelsea a failure, I think he was a victim of a seismic shift in policy from Abramovich

Is there any evidence that Abramovich rubber stamped this shift in policy given that he never speaks in public and never gives interviews?

 

[parklane1]

I thought AVB was lauded for winning titles in lop sided leagues whilst managing clubs with the richest resources? Silly me.

The points total thing does make me laugh. We can finish 5th if we win on Sunday and Liverpool don't win with a lower points total than we did last season when we finished 6th.

Yes silly you bringing in a manager who has never managed here and then asked why he does not have a big following on here, stop digging that hole mate.

 

[Baleforce]

Is there any evidence that Abramovich rubber stamped this shift in policy given that he never speaks in public and never gives interviews?

no idea, hence the "i don't consider" and "i think"

 

[Jurgen the German]

16 games ( Prem) into his second season after the sale of Bale aad trying to introduce 7 new players into a system. Not sure you could call that a more realistic perspective at all.

The performances weren't improving though, they were getting worse. The wins early in the season weren't great, but we did just enough to win, then we started relying on lucky penalties and started to get numerous hidings. I think we all expected some rough spells, but not to that extent.

People can't have it both ways, when Redknapp and Sherwood were in charge, their results were largely down to the players, with AVB it was his management skills that got the results.

 

[Baleforce]

Yes silly you bringing in a manager who has never managed here and then asked why he does not have a big following on here, stop digging that hole mate.

if McLaren had ever managed Spurs, been sacked, then gone and won the dutch league i'd have been all over him like a cheap suit

I like the guy generally, if Fergie puts you in full charge of team training at Man Utd you must know your onions

 

[Jurgen the German]

Yes silly you bringing in a manager who has never managed here and then asked why he does not have a big following on here, stop digging that hole mate.

Even before he managed at Spurs he was being bigged up as a future great manager in the making just because of his success at Porto and his Mourinho connection. Now he is managing in Russia. Some won't admit it, but there is something exotic about a foreign manager with pristine suits and a raspy voice who uses fancy words.

 

[parklane1]

Even before he managed at Spurs he was being bigged up as a future great manager in the making just because of his success at Porto and his Mourinho connection. Now he is managing in Russia. Some won't admit it, but there is something exotic about a foreign manager with pristine suits and a raspy voice who uses fancy words.

That hole is getting deeper

 

[glorygloryeze]

The difference is Redknapp took over a struggling, underperforming side not peforming to the sum of its parts and turned our league form around very quickly and got us into the top 4 just 18 months later, whilst also playing the most exciting brand of football in the league, as much as people dislike him, I would be very interested to see people argue this point about the style of play. AVB came into the club that had finished 4th and despite losing key players, were a shoe in for the top 6 at the minimum, which he achieved.

AVB also came to Spurs having underperformed big style of one of our top clubs and being an unproven commodity in England, he had achieved nothing in England. Redknapp was brought in to get us out of trouble, he wasn't a long term appointment IMO, he has taken teams down, but he has also kept teams up after relegation battles. The Spurs job represented his first crack at a "top club". AVB had already been given a chance at a top club in England, but he squandered it.

At the end of the day, my point is that the press had as much 'ammunition' to have a go at Redknapp as they did AVB given the two circumstances in which they were hired. The fact that we were in the brick is not the point really. The point is someone could have said 'fudge, we want to stay up and we hire this guy who has taken teams down before?' Much like they thought 'why are we hiring this guy who failed at Chelski?'
One got a harder time. One didn't. Both could have.

 

[Craig_J]

The performances weren't improving though, they were getting worse. The wins early in the season weren't great, but we did just enough to win, then we started relying on lucky penalties and started to get numerous hidings. I think we all expected some rough spells, but not to that extent.

People can't have it both ways, when Redknapp and Sherwood were in charge, their results were largely down to the players, with AVB it was his management skills that got the results.

Although he did do a great job with Bale in his second season I have no idea how we were as high up as we were. We were just about scraping by with the odd goal here and there and I actually think it was just because we had a better team then some of the lower sides that we were able to snatch results. The performances were very mediocre to say the least.

 

[Baleforce]

The performances weren't improving though, they were getting worse. The wins early in the season weren't great, but we did just enough to win, then we started relying on lucky penalties and started to get numerous hidings. I think we all expected some rough spells, but not to that extent.

People can't have it both ways, when Redknapp and Sherwood were in charge, their results were largely down to the players, with AVB it was his management skills that got the results.

straw man argument alert

i'm very positive on Redknapp, he did a great job taking us so far from where found us, still think he underperformed a bit

Sherwood i'm negative on as I think he's a massive clam, as i've said numerous times in many threads, if he keeps his stats at this level over a reasonable period of time, many, me included, will have to eat humble pie, right now I think its still just beginners luck

 

[Baleforce]

Even before he managed at Spurs he was being bigged up as a future great manager in the making just because of his success at Porto and his Mourinho connection. Now he is managing in Russia. Some won't admit it, but there is something exotic about a foreign manager with pristine suits and a raspy voice who uses fancy words.

don't forget the Robson connection as well, he thought a lot of him

 

[Jurgen the German]

That hole is getting deeper

Use emoticons all you like, but for some, he looked the part, had the success in Porto just like Mourinho, played a pragmatic and dare I say it ugly and similar brand of football to Jose, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Robspur12]

It is still you saying that our attack was "all about Bale" when it was clearly not the case in the first half of the season. Bale grew more important to us as the second half of the season progressed and it WAS NOT that way fro the start. It's EXACTLY like me saying that our attack throughout this season has been "single-handedly" carried by Kane. Is there not a stat that says that Kane has won the most amount of points as any player in the PL this season? Kane has "rescued us" similarly this season by that measure.
I don't see how you can say it is different.

This is going round in circles. Yes Kane has won us a lot of points but he is the lone striker, the spear head of our attacks, he is expected to score most of the goals that's his role. His goals are created in the main, as part, of progressive team play, created by eriksen Chadli, dembele! Lamela rose etc. after Christmas under AVB, Defoe's goals dried up iirc and then it was literally all about bale, a midfielder, scoring and creating goals because our strikers were not scoring having much of a hand in our goals.

 

[scaramanga]

The difference is Redknapp took over a struggling, underperforming side not peforming to the sum of its parts and turned our league form around very quickly and got us into the top 4 just 18 months later, whilst also playing the most exciting brand of football in the league, watched it regress to the mean despite him. Then he bought Chimbonda again.

Fixed that for you (you're welcome).

 

[Jurgen the German]

straw man argument alert

i'm very positive on Redknapp, he did a great job taking us so far from where found us, still think he underperformed a bit

Sherwood i'm negative on as I think he's a massive clam, as i've said numerous times in many threads, if he keeps his stats at this level over a reasonable period of time, many, me included, will have to eat humble pie, right now I think its still just beginners luck

I didn't name names.

 

[parklane1]

At the end of the day, my point is that the press had as much 'ammunition' to have a go at Redknapp as they did AVB given the two circumstances in which they were hired. The fact that we were in the crud is not the point really. The point is someone could have said 'fudge, we want to stay up and we hire this guy who has taken teams down before?' Much like they thought 'why are we hiring this guy who failed at Chelski?'
One got a harder time. One didn't. Both could have.

I get what you are saying but lets not forget " rent a quote " had mates in the press and AVB did not so they were never going to be treated the same way.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Got us into the top 4 twice had us playing at grounds like the Bernabeu just a year after playing in front of one man and his dog in the UEFA Cup and being the most entertaining side in the league (you're welcome).

Fixed for you Scara.

 

[Baleforce]

This is going round in circles. Yes Kane has won us a lot of points but he is the lone striker, the spear head of our attacks, he is expected to score most of the goals that's his role. His goals are created in the main, as part, of progressive team play, created by eriksen Chadli, dembele! Lamela rose etc. after Christmas under AVB, Defoe's goals dried up iirc and then it was literally all about bale, a midfielder, scoring and creating goals because our strikers were not scoring having much of a hand in our goals.

the team was setup to maximise Bale's effectiveness, he wasn't going back and tackling Daws to get it, the entire system was based on getting the ball to his feet either over the top of a high line or in the hole in front of a deep one, the 9 other outfield players were working as a unit to make those opportunities open up