AVB

[Jurgen the German]

Really? How so? Especially in the first season?

Just his general character, he does comes across as a bit superior. I personally don't mind it, but I can see why he rubs some people up the wrong way. Before you say anything, I'm fully aware that the previous manager had certain traits that irked people and fully see why HE irritated people too.

He was quite prickly in interviews during his second season. And as I said before, the press in England were always going to take some convincing given how he failed at Chelsea. They probably wondered how he got another high profile job in this country so quickly after the Chelsea role.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Just his general character, he does comes across as a bit superior. I personally don't mind it, but I can see why he rubs some people up the wrong way. Before you say anything, I'm fully aware that the previous manager had certain traits that irked people and fully see why HE irritated people too.

He was quite prickly in interviews during his second season. And as I said before, the press in England were always going to take some convincing given how he failed at Chelsea.

The press were at him from day one; because he replaced one of their chums, pure and simple. Once results started to go a bit downhill, they were ready to pounce.
Meanwhile we have had other managers have even poorer runs but of course they were almost left alone in comparison.

He's not the only Spurs manager in recent times to be prickly; Harry certainly could be...

 

[Baleforce]

The performances were getting worse as the season progressed. We all accepted there would be growing pains with that group of players. AVB somehow turned us into a team that struggled to score from outfield player whilst also being weak at the back. The Liverpool game was just one hiding too many, had the result been 2 or 3 nil then I believe he would have kept his job, but the manner of the defeat was too much for Levy, it could have been 8-0 at least. The high line was still employed despite having Dawson at the back who is hardly Usain Bolt.

I won't argue it wasn't a mess, it was, I think the damage was done by that point though, I think whatever happened behind the scenes exacerbated the issue of new players, my point has never been "they shouldn't have sacked him when they did", but "they should not have let things get to that point"

 

[parklane1]

The press were at him from day one; because he replaced one of their chums, pure and simple. Once results started to go a bit downhill, they were ready to pounce.
Meanwhile we have had other managers have even poorer runs but of course they were almost left alone in comparison.
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Indeed its as simple as that, his pals in the press lost their go to man when they wanted a quote and whoever took his place as our manager would have been a target. After all these were the guys who tried to convince fans that he was a great manager and was a shoe in for the England job.

 

[Baleforce]

Just his general character, he does comes across as a bit superior. I personally don't mind it, but I can see why he rubs some people up the wrong way. Before you say anything, I'm fully aware that the previous manager had certain traits that irked people and fully see why HE irritated people too.

He was quite prickly in interviews during his second season. And as I said before, the press in England were always going to take some convincing given how he failed at Chelsea. They probably wondered how he got another high profile job in this country so quickly after the Chelsea role.

nothing wrong with being superior when you quite clearly are

 

[Jurgen the German]

The press were at him from day one; because he replaced one of their chums, pure and simple. Once results started to go a bit downhill, they were ready to pounce.
Meanwhile we have had other managers have even poorer runs but of course they were almost left alone in comparison.

He's not the only Spurs manager in recent times to be prickly; Harry certainly could be...

I don't why you are so keen to ignore his previous history at Chelsea, he got the Spurs job just months after his failure there. He came to England with the "new Mourinho" tag, which was very quickly disproved. Can you blame certain ex players and journalists for not being too impressed with him and perhaps needing some convincing. The criticism went away when he started to pick up results during his first season.

We had spent over £100m during the next summer, AVB was at least partly involved in that. Then he took a swipe at them after one of our games. I am not defending our media, a large portion of them are unprofessional, unscrupolous dingdongheads. But having a dig at them so publicly is a sure fire way NOT to get them on your side. In one respect I applaud him for taking them on, but you have to be savvy and realise it's not always the smartest idea.

As for your last comment, Sherwood is essentially Harry mk II and English so he does get a bit of a free ride.

Poch is quite understated and introverted compared to our most recent managers. Plus, I don't think people expect as much from us these days compared to Redknapp and AVB's teams. People realise we've fecked up big style with the signings we have made and Poch is being tasked with clearing Levy, Baldini and AVB's mess.

 

[Jurgen the German]

nothing wrong with being superior when you quite clearly are

Good one.

 

[parklane1]

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We had spent over £100m during the next summer, AVB was at least partly involved in that. Then he took a swipe at them after one of our games. I am not defending our media, a large portion of them are unprofessional, unscrupolous dingdongheads. But having a dig at them so publicly is a sure fire way NOT to get them on your side. In one respect I applaud him for taking them on, but you have to be savvy and realise it's not always the smartest idea.

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But that was in his second season, the press were after him from day one because he replaced their mate " rent a quote". Its as simple as that.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Indeed its as simple as that, his pals in the press lost their go to man when they wanted a quote and whoever took his place as our manager would have been a target. After all these were the guys who tried to convince fans that he was a great manager and was a shoe in for the England job.

It really isn't as simple as that, there's far more to it. You are keen to quote his 48% win percentage at Chelsea as if it's a good thing. To put that into perspective, Jose Mourinho's win % is 67%, Di Matteo's 57%, Ancellotti 61%, Rafa Benitez 58%, Scolari 56%. Even Ruud Gullit had a higher win % with a far inferior group of players, certainly no John Terry's, Drogba, Lampard etc. If you had a 48% win percentage over the course of a league campaign, even with 10 draws on top, that would net you around 65-67 points, hardly impressive for a team that should be challenging for the title.

Granted he was sacked very early days at Chelsea, but his time there cannot possibly be viewed as a success.

 

[Robspur12]

The bolded bit shows your poor memory and how you are using the latter part of that season to smear your memory of the WHOLE SEASON.
I think you will find that Defoe also scored a decent number of goals that season, particularly the first half of the season. In fact i'm sure Defoe scored more than Bale in the first half of that season, and hence showing how wrong your statement is.

Oh come on this is not just about a goal count but also about the effect that a single player had on our play. I can't believe we are arguing about this. Bale quite clearly, on his own rescued us so many times that season. We won because he created and scored those goals himself. Not progressive build up of an attack that culminated in a bale goal. This season, Kane has scored a lot of goals but he not singled handledly carried our entire attack.

 

[Jurgen the German]

But that was in his second season, the press were after him from day one because he replaced their mate " rent a quote". Its as simple as that.

Some of them, but his failure at Chelsea is also a big factor that you and some other posters are overlooking because you like AVB.

 

[parklane1]

It really isn't as simple as that, there's far more to it. You are keen to quote his 48% win percentage at Chelsea as if it's a good thing. To put that into perspective, Jose Mourinho's win % is 67%, Di Matteo's 57%, Ancellotti 61%, Rafa Benitez 58%, Scolari 56%. Even Ruud Gullit had a higher win % with a far inferior group of players, certainly no John Terry's, Drogba, Lampard etc. If you had a 48% win percentage over the course of a league campaign, even with 10 draws on top, that would net you around 65-67 points, hardly impressive for a team that should be challenging for the title.

Granted he was sacked very early days at Chelsea, but his time there cannot possibly be viewed as a success.

I agree it was not a success ( i never said it was), but neither was it a disaster that some try and make out.

 

[parklane1]

Some of them, but his failure at Chelsea is also a big factor that you and some other posters are overlooking because you like AVB.

I neither hate him or love him that is not the point, some have branded him crap manager but he keeps winning things unlike the previous manager (who some other posters like) who did a runner with ( bad knees) to escape his forth relegation.

We can all play the ( I like him but not him game).

 

[glorygloryeze]

I don't why you are so keen to ignore his previous history at Chelsea, he got the Spurs job just months after his failure there. He came to England with the "new Mourinho" tag, which was very quickly disproved. Can you blame certain ex players and journalists for not being too impressed with him and perhaps needing some convincing. The criticism went away when he started to pick up results during his first season.

We had spent over £100m during the next summer, AVB was at least partly involved in that. Then he took a swipe at them after one of our games. I am not defending our media, a large portion of them are unprofessional, unscrupolous dingdongheads. But having a dig at them so publicly is a sure fire way NOT to get them on your side. In one respect I applaud him for taking them on, but you have to be savvy and realise it's not always the smartest idea.

As for your last comment, Sherwood is essentially Harry mk II and English so he does get a bit of a free ride.

Poch is quite understated and introverted compared to our most recent managers. Plus, I don't think people expect as much from us these days compared to Redknapp and AVB's teams. People realise we've fecked up big style with the signings we have made and Poch is being tasked with clearing Levy, Baldini and AVB's mess.

Redknapp got the Spurs job after a history of taking clubs down AND being involved in their near-bankrupcy. Did he get the same bile from the press when he got given our manager' job, the biggest job of his life at the time? Of course not and we know why that is the case.

Fact is that regardless of his failure at Chelski AVB had achieved FAR MORE than Harry (or perhaps any of our other recent managers) so the logic of giving him the job was at least as 'flawed' of giving it to Harry who had never had a job the size of ours in his life.
Hence, if AVB should have had knives waiting for him, then in theory so should Harry..

 

[Jurgen the German]

I neither hate him or love him that is not the point, some have branded him crap manager but he keeps winning things unlike the previous manager (who some other posters like) who did a runner with ( bad knees) to escape his forth relegation.

We can all play the ( I like him but not him game).

I wouldn't say crap, just a failure in England and not as good as some on here make out, winning titles in weak leagues. Steve McClaren won the Dutch league which is arguably a superior league than the Russian league and Portugese league, but he doesn't have anywhere near the same following as AVB does on this forum.

 

[parklane1]

I wouldn't say crap, just a failure in England and not as good as some on here make out, winning titles in weak leagues. Steve McClaren won the Dutch league which is arguably a superior league than the Russian league and Portugese league, but he doesn't have anywhere near the same following as AVB does on this forum.

Why would he? when did he manage us to a record points total and then get the sack the next season?

 

[glorygloryeze]

Oh come on this is not just about a goal count but also about the effect that a single player had on our play. I can't believe we are arguing about this. Bale quite clearly, on his own rescued us so many times that season. We won because he created and scored those goals himself. Not progressive build up of an attack that culminated in a bale goal. This season, Kane has scored a lot of goals but he not singled handledly carried our entire attack.

It is still you saying that our attack was "all about Bale" when it was clearly not the case in the first half of the season. Bale grew more important to us as the second half of the season progressed and it WAS NOT that way fro the start. It's EXACTLY like me saying that our attack throughout this season has been "single-handedly" carried by Kane. Is there not a stat that says that Kane has won the most amount of points as any player in the PL this season? Kane has "rescued us" similarly this season by that measure.
I don't see how you can say it is different.

 

[Robspur12]

Why would he? when did he manage us to a record points total and then get the sack the next season?

I do get that Parklane. I just think the achievement has been exaggerated because he was in the fortunate position of having had an exceptional player playing out of his skin. His second season provided a more realistic perspective on his abilities IMO.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Redknapp got the Spurs job after a history of taking clubs down AND being involved in their near-bankrupcy. Did he get the same bile from the press when he got given our manager' job, the biggest job of his life at the time? Of course not and we know why that is the case.

Fact is that regardless of his failure at Chelski AVB had achieved FAR MORE than Harry (or perhaps any of our other recent managers) so the logic of giving him the job was at least as 'flawed' of giving it to Harry who had never had a job the size of ours in his life.
Hence, if AVB should have had knives waiting for him, then in theory so should Harry..

The difference is Redknapp took over a struggling, underperforming side not peforming to the sum of its parts and turned our league form around very quickly and got us into the top 4 just 18 months later, whilst also playing the most exciting brand of football in the league, as much as people dislike him, I would be very interested to see people argue this point about the style of play. AVB came into the club that had finished 4th and despite losing key players, were a shoe in for the top 6 at the minimum, which he achieved.

AVB also came to Spurs having underperformed big style of one of our top clubs and being an unproven commodity in England, he had achieved nothing in England. Redknapp was brought in to get us out of trouble, he wasn't a long term appointment IMO, he has taken teams down, but he has also kept teams up after relegation battles. The Spurs job represented his first crack at a "top club". AVB had already been given a chance at a top club in England, but he squandered it.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Why would he? when did he manage us to a record points total and then get the sack the next season?

I thought AVB was lauded for winning titles in lop sided leagues whilst managing clubs with the richest resources? Silly me.

The points total thing does make me laugh. We can finish 5th if we win on Sunday and Liverpool don't win with a lower points total than we did last season when we finished 6th.