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Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Hmm really? So you would have been happy with us winning things under George Graham? Did the league cup win absolve the abortion like football we were playing at the time?
Plus lets not forget the football in avbs second season with us was boring as fook unless we were getting spanked!
Avb is even more risk averse than mourinho so overall I'd say this Russian chuckle brother makes plenty of fair points!
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yeah, I'm happy with winning things however we win, winning is the point, I celebrated that Nielsen goal as much as any
 
Robspur12 said:
He also slagged off the club's supporters when his team were struggling to string a single attack together at Hull. It's a pattern with this guy, blame other people for his failures. I am no fan of Redknapp but he never got away with saying those things. For me no way will he be regarded as a top class manager until he achieves success at one of the top clubs in the top leagues of Europe. When that day comes I will gladly eat my words.
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I think he was right to do so, in my experience, most football fans are idiots, it's no different at Spurs
 
Spurs7891 said:
AVB's "failure" in England is largely due to the problems at 2 clubs he managed rather than his weakness. Both Chelsea and Spurs traditionally sack managers regardless of their records. Chelsea even sacked Mourinho and Ancelotti despite winning the league titles. And Levy at Spurs loves sacking managers for fun, already having 11 managers in 14 years under him ! AVB simply joined the wrong clubs !
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I am afraid you re deluding yourself on that point mate. Time is not an important factor in his successes at non English clubs. Can I also add that his "success" is based on a simple formula, have the players in place who are better than your opponents not to coach inferior players to success. In that respect he would never have been a success at Spurs and was completely the wrong appointment.
billyiddo said:
If it's too small a size to say he is good then it's too small to say he was bad...
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Agreed but I am not the one using win averages. As a measure of how good or bad he was.
 
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galeforce said:
yeah, I'm happy with winning things however we win, winning is the point, I celebrated that Nielsen goal as much as any
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I agree with you to a large extent about winning ugly. My issue and that of Chukhov is that when you have the best squad in the division and the financial resources of Zenit a good coach should be able to win more than just ugly. To a degree that was the problem Mourinho faced at Madrid.
 
Robspur12 said:
I agree with you to a large extent about winning ugly. My issue and that of Chukhov is that when you have the best squad in the division and the financial resources of Zenit a good coach should be able to win more than just ugly. To a degree that was the problem Mourinho faced at Madrid.
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that depends on how your define "good coach", also, why should more than winning be required, what else is there and how do you measure it?
 
Robspur12 said:
Agreed but I am not the one using win averages. As a measure of how good or bad he was.
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So you would be happy to call a manager with a 30% win ave a good manager?, Of course managers have to be judged on their win ave its what the game is about.
 
Raziel said:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32780855

Zenit St Petersburg coach Andre Villas-Boas employs a "nauseating" style of play that is "anti-football", claims one of the club's former players.

The ex-Chelsea and Tottenham boss, 37, has led Zenit to the Russian Premier League in his first full season there.

Yet Boris Chukhlov, who won the Soviet title with Zenit in 1984, also claims Villas-Boas is not good enough to manage a top European club
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Who?

Google doesn't even autocomplete his name.
 
Spurs7891 said:
AVB's "failure" in England is largely due to the problems at 2 clubs he managed rather than his weakness. Both Chelsea and Spurs traditionally sack managers regardless of their records. Chelsea even sacked Mourinho and Ancelotti despite winning the league titles. And Levy at Spurs loves sacking managers for fun, already having 11 managers in 14 years under him ! AVB simply joined the wrong clubs !
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I don't buy this media driven trigger happy Levy nonsense. Your 11 includes obvious caretakers presumably? So really 7 managers in 14 years including one he inherited (or 8 if you think Deadwood was more than an interim at some stage). That is still a lot but a lot better (at 1.75 years vs 379 days) than the average length of managerial service in the EPL so he is no more trigger happy than most, possibly less so. You could question some of those decisions, and especially the way or timing of them as well, but AVBs problem at Spurs wasn't Levy getting itchy fingers.
 
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galeforce said:
How could there be, he's never been anywhere for a significant period of time.

That's one CL elimination, marked by a freak defensive record from Monaco, who have spent a pretty penny themselves over the last couple of seasons and also removed Arsenal from the competition, in his other CL run (at Chelsea) they finished top of the group, he was sacked before the first knock out round concluded. I'd say at worst that's something of a wash.
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And yet you still rave about him.
 
parklane1 said:
I agree, he had a 48% win av at Chelski and a 55% win av here, pretty good compered to a lot of managers.
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But he took over a Chelsea side that finished 2nd the previous season and took them below us who were managed by a man who a lot of people on here don't rate so how do you explain that?
 
Spurs7891 said:
AVB's "failure" in England is largely due to the problems at 2 clubs he managed rather than his weakness. Both Chelsea and Spurs traditionally sack managers regardless of their records. Chelsea even sacked Mourinho and Ancelotti despite winning the league titles. And Levy at Spurs loves sacking managers for fun, already having 11 managers in 14 years under him ! AVB simply joined the wrong clubs !
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He startes off OK at Chelsea, then results took a turn for the worse and they showed no signs of improvement. This was a team that was good enough to finish 2nd in the previous campaign and had won the double just two years previous. There's no way they should have been struggling below ourselves and Arsenal, who had lost Fabregas and Nasri.
 
Robspur12 said:
He also slagged off the club's supporters when his team were struggling to string a single attack together at Hull. It's a pattern with this guy, blame other people for his failures. I am no fan of Redknapp but he never got away with saying those things. For me no way will he be regarded as a top class manager until he achieves success at one of the top clubs in the top leagues of Europe. When that day comes I will gladly eat my words.
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Redknapp slagged off our fans too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ot-fans-failing-qualify-Champions-League.html

He's a top manager as far as I'm concerned, mate: won everything with a Porto side while going unbeaten in the league, won a title straight away at Zenit, and will probably win more in the future.
 
Jurgen the German said:
And yet you still rave about him.
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yeah, I love him, the final 3/4 of his first season were by far my happiest times as a spurs fan, we were so efficient, it was mechanical, automatic, no stupid results, just 1 goal wins or well earned draws, we were predictable, in a good way, there was order
 
galeforce said:
yeah, I love him, the final 3/4 of his first season were by far my happiest times as a spurs fan, we were so efficient, it was mechanical, automatic, no stupid results, just 1 goal wins or well earned draws, we were predictable, in a good way, there was order
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Except those defeats to Fulham and Liverpool towards the end of that season. I really do think we were riding our luck in a lot of those games, but we had Gareth Bale to get us out of trouble.
 
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