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And the sore English media seems unable to accept AVB winning the league title in Russia. The English media is proving yet again they are the worst in the world !
 
Roy1983 said:
Possibly because you or I could win it with Zenith.
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That is the mentality of the English which stops the English teams from winning any European or World trophies ! Remember, a team from Ukraine is in an European final but English teams didn't even qualify to the quarter finals !
 
Yes hardly an every season turn of events though is it?

AVB failed in England twice is a fact just because he's won a league which is incredibly weak shouldn't matter one iota.
 
The attitude of chuklov annoys me, there is no such thing as anti-football, football has laws, it's a sandbox, everything that happens in that sandbox is, by definition, football. They won the league, deal with it, you don't get points for artistic interpretation.
 
galeforce said:
The attitude of chuklov annoys me, there is no such thing as anti-football, football has laws, it's a sandbox, everything that happens in that sandbox is, by definition, football. They won the league, deal with it, you don't get points for artistic interpretation.
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Maybe, but Perhaps you could also conclude that as he has failed twice in England and failed to make any impression in the Champions league, his brand of football only works when he has the strongest team in the league. Zenith have massive resources and will want to progress in the Champions league I would have thought.
 
Robspur12 said:
Maybe, but Perhaps you could also conclude that as he has failed twice in England and failed to make any impression in the Champions league, his brand of football only works when he has the strongest team in the league.
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My opinion is he didn't get a fair chance in either English job, he wasn't at either club long enough to be marked.

Also, if he's going to be beaten with the stick of having the strongest team in Russia, and arguably with Porto (Benfica had lost Di Maria but were still a decent side, before that it certainly was not the case with Academia), then surely when grading his performance in the CL you have to take into account he was up against far stronger teams?
 
galeforce said:
My opinion is he didn't get a fair chance in either English job, he wasn't at either club long enough to be marked.

Also, if he's going to be beaten with the stick of having the strongest team in Russia, and arguably with Porto (Benfica had lost Di Maria but were still a decent side, before that it certainly was not the case with Academia), then surely when grading his performance in the CL you have to take into account he was up against far stronger teams?
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I think it would be difficult to argue that either Monaco or Leverkusen were anything other than at least on a par with Zenit. These 2 are hardly in Europes elite. In fact Zenit's failure to qualify from their group surprised many observers. As for not being at the English clubs long enough well he was only at Porto for one season before winning the treble and he won the Russian league in his first full season. There is absolutely no evidence for him having built success anywhere over a significant period of time.
 
How could there be, he's never been anywhere for a significant period of time.

That's one CL elimination, marked by a freak defensive record from Monaco, who have spent a pretty penny themselves over the last couple of seasons and also removed Arsenal from the competition, in his other CL run (at Chelsea) they finished top of the group, he was sacked before the first knock out round concluded. I'd say at worst that's something of a wash.
 
Robspur12 said:
Maybe, but Perhaps you could also conclude that as he has failed twice in England and failed to make any impression in the Champions league, his brand of football only works when he has the strongest team in the league. Zenith have massive resources and will want to progress in the Champions league I would have thought.
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AVB's "failure" in England is largely due to the problems at 2 clubs he managed rather than his weakness. Both Chelsea and Spurs traditionally sack managers regardless of their records. Chelsea even sacked Mourinho and Ancelotti despite winning the league titles. And Levy at Spurs loves sacking managers for fun, already having 11 managers in 14 years under him ! AVB simply joined the wrong clubs !
 
galeforce said:
The attitude of chuklov annoys me, there is no such thing as anti-football, football has laws, it's a sandbox, everything that happens in that sandbox is, by definition, football. They won the league, deal with it, you don't get points for artistic interpretation.
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Hmm really? So you would have been happy with us winning things under George Graham? Did the league cup win absolve the abortion like football we were playing at the time?
Plus lets not forget the football in avbs second season with us was boring as fook unless we were getting spanked!
Avb is even more risk averse than mourinho so overall I'd say this Russian chuckle brother makes plenty of fair points!
 
Robspur12 said:
Didn't like that he slagged the club off for allegedly "breaking promises" over players to deflect blame from his own failings.
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Didn't slag off the club, slagged off the chairman. He was 100% right to do so, imo (even if I wouldn't admit it to a non-Spurs supporter). We needed to understand what Levy's 'backing' entailed, and he revealed it.

Happy he's won a league title. The guy was a top-class manager, it just didn't work out for him here.
 
galeforce said:
My opinion is he didn't get a fair chance in either English job, he wasn't at either club long enough to be marked.

Also, if he's going to be beaten with the stick of having the strongest team in Russia, and arguably with Porto (Benfica had lost Di Maria but were still a decent side, before that it certainly was not the case with Academia), then surely when grading his performance in the CL you have to take into account he was up against far stronger teams?
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I agree, he had a 48% win av at Chelski and a 55% win av here, pretty good compered to a lot of managers.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Didn't slag off the club, slagged off the chairman. He was 100% right to do so, imo (even if I wouldn't admit it to a non-Spurs supporter). We needed to understand what Levy's 'backing' entailed, and he revealed it.

Happy he's won a league title. The guy was a top-class manager, it just didn't work out for him here.
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He also slagged off the club's supporters when his team were struggling to string a single attack together at Hull. It's a pattern with this guy, blame other people for his failures. I am no fan of Redknapp but he never got away with saying those things. For me no way will he be regarded as a top class manager until he achieves success at one of the top clubs in the top leagues of Europe. When that day comes I will gladly eat my words.
 
parklane1 said:
I agree, he had a 48% win av at Chelski and a 55% win av here, pretty good compered to a lot of managers.
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Difficult to compare a win average for someone who was here for just a season and a half to someone like Redknapp who had 4 seasons. Sherwood had a better win average than both.
 
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