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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread

For some reason I was very sad reading that piece, which is excellent I might add, as the loss of Modric and VDV will really stifle us. They really were a class above what we are used to. The author is right though in it really is back to the drawing board, especially considering our failure to land Moutinho. I predict this failed transfer will go down as a (bad) seminal moment in our clubs history. Another 'what if' that will come back to haunt us along with the missed opportunities to consolidate on our early season form in the last two Jan transfer windows. Not buying prudently in these windows were mistakes which had massive ramifications for the club, and for what it is worth I think the sale of VDV was another massive mistake. It was a transfer we should have vetoed altogether or at least postponed until January. To be clear I do see the club on a predominately upward trajectory which only the most blinkered would deny, but we don't half make it hard on ourselves sometimes.

People are ready to have AVB hung, drawn and quartered already but when you consider the upheaval caused by this transfer window then this is so premature as to be laughable. Lets see how it all knits together with our best players on the pitch before we criticise too much.
 
Re: Hugo Lloris

I think one of three things will happen (and apologies for going briefly off-topic)

1. The players AVB has got now fit AVB's 4-2-3-1 system, he persists with it, theplayers grow in confidence, the results come. Everyone is happy. AVB survives.
2. The players AVB has got now do not fit AVB's system. He changes the system to fit the players we do have, the results come. Everyone (possibly not AVB as much) is happy. AVB survives.
3. The players AVB has got now do not fit AVB's system. A dogmatic, inflexible AVB persists with the system, with a bit of tinkering, the results do not come. Everyone is unhappy. AVB gets sacked.

Which do I think it will be. I hope 1, but don't think we have the right players, so I'm banking on AVB having learnt a lesson at Chelsea and going for 2. I prefer not to think about 3 too much.

As for Lloris -can't wait to see how good he is in a Spurs shirt.
 
I dont think its that good a piece at all. A few "state the obvious" points and a whole page of waffle.

We won games because people underestimated us based on the Manchester fixtures? Yet they couldnt respect us for the previous two seasons 4th, 5th and CL QF?

In the system that we played VDV and Modric were our creative impetus - groundbreaking observation.

While adjusting to a new system and lacking a central creative influence we struggled to be fluid in attack - well blow me down!

He completely ignores that the window has so far been in effect for our games (and indeed against the Manchesters last year). That VERY late in the window we made key buys likely to expedite the transition into a new way of playing and have yet to start them (or even train with them).

Plus, it does virtually nothing to explain "How have Spurs set up under AVB so far?" at all. Hasnt picked out what is different aside from the formation, none of the nuances of play or anything.
 
Re: Hugo Lloris

I think its 1, at least I think thats the intention.

I believe the buys will enable a very effective 4231 - and that right now we just need to support the team while they get used to it
 
For some reason I was very sad reading that piece, which is excellent I might add, as the loss of Modric and VDV will really stifle us. They really were a class above what we are used to. The author is right though in it really is back to the drawing board, especially considering our failure to land Moutinho. I predict this failed transfer will go down as a (bad) seminal moment in our clubs history. Another 'what if' that will come back to haunt us along with the missed opportunities to consolidate on our early season form in the last two Jan transfer windows. Not buying prudently in these windows were mistakes which had massive ramifications for the club, and for what it is worth I think the sale of VDV was another massive mistake. It was a transfer we should have vetoed altogether or at least postponed until January. To be clear I do see the club on a predominately upward trajectory which only the most blinkered would deny, but we don't half make it hard on ourselves sometimes.

People are ready to have AVB hung, drawn and quartered already but when you consider the upheaval caused by this transfer window then this is so premature as to be laughable. Lets see how it all knits together with our best players on the pitch before we criticise too much.

There's no doubt we'll miss Modric and Van der Vaart, but let's not forget that we got 70 points in 2009/10 when a) VDV wasn't here, and b) Modric was injured for half the season, and barely played in central midfield even when he did play.

Sigurdsson and Dempsey have just as much goalscoring ability as VDV, and whilst their assist records weren't as good last season (10,7 and 6 respectively if averaged out across 38 full matches) they weren't massively different, and they did have inferior players to assist.

Dembele may not have the same range of passing as Modric, but he's no less of a direct goal / assist threat, he has a similar ability to ghost past players and get the ball into the opponents' final third, and he's much better at winning the ball back than Modric IMO.

Give these players time to bed in and to (hopefully) learn to press really effectively, and we may not miss Modric and VDV as much as we're expecting too now.

Having said that, personally I would rather see a system in which we sit back in our own half when not in possession, and press super-aggressively as soon as they enter our half. And then attack / break quickly if and when we regain possession. Whilst our new players might be well-suited to pressing, they seem less well-suited to a patient possession-based game.
 
Re: Hugo Lloris

Interesting that Defoes interview today said that he is very organised and has a different way of playing from match to match and knows exactly how he wants them to play each time.

That would suggest some flexibility to me. Just because its the same formation it can still be played multiple ways.
 
I dont think its that good a piece at all. A few "state the obvious" points and a whole page of waffle.

We won games because people underestimated us based on the Manchester fixtures? Yet they couldnt respect us for the previous two seasons 4th, 5th and CL QF?

In the system that we played VDV and Modric were our creative impetus - groundbreaking observation.

While adjusting to a new system and lacking a central creative influence we struggled to be fluid in attack - well blow me down!

He completely ignores that the window has so far been in effect for our games (and indeed against the Manchesters last year). That VERY late in the window we made key buys likely to expedite the transition into a new way of playing and have yet to start them (or even train with them).

Plus, it does virtually nothing to explain "How have Spurs set up under AVB so far?" at all. Hasnt picked out what is different aside from the formation, none of the nuances of play or anything.


Not even that, these teams scout us in matches previous to theirs and most likely watch tapes of how we have been playing. It would have been obvious from about the 5th game last season that we were devastating on the counter.


It could just end up being as simple as sides being far more adventurous in the first half of the season in the hope that they can pick up unexpected points, then later if they look in danger of relegation/underachieving they try to close shop against the bigger sides more.
 
Re: Still Optimistic Thread

I saw this on Saturday. A couple of times Siggy was backed up against their back four, wanted the ball into feet, and they wouldn't play it into him. Usually when I see this, it is in Saturday parks football, with someone that the team doesn't trust to keep the ball. I don't believe for one minute that this was the reason in this case, but if he wants it into feet they should knock it into him, even if he has man up his backside. After all he was the person playing in the space bewtween the defence and midfield. If he demands the ball, you have to trust him with it.

This, noticed it throughout the game, one time Lennon cut the pass back from him on the edge of the area it at least troubled their defence (which was remarkable given the rest of the game). That picture highlights perfectly one of our issues, our wingers/fullbacks are so used to cutting around the outside they don't often look for the player in the middle
 
Re: Still Optimistic Thread

This, noticed it throughout the game, one time Lennon cut the pass back from him on the edge of the area it at least troubled their defence (which was remarkable given the rest of the game). That picture highlights perfectly one of our issues, our wingers/fullbacks are so used to cutting around the outside they don't often look for the player in the middle

Ekotto tries for the hard pass into space outside the box quite a bit. Especially when our only target in the box is Defoe he seems to look for Bale, Sig etc at the edge of the box. The problem with those passes/crosses is that if they're cut out you're very exposed to a counter attack while if you put an old fashioned cross into the box it will rarely be controlled, but rather cleared where you have more of a chance to keep up the pressure or at least stop a counter attack from happening.

Walker struggles with much easier passes than that, not sure if I want him trying those to be honest. Lennon should be more aware of those though.
 
I'd really like to hope that AVB was just waiting to see what signings he got, before deciding strictly which exact system he was going to implement and how we are going to play. It's all I can think of, considering that against Norwich there really weren't any hallmarks of any particular system he is supposed to be associated with. There was no pressing and no possession. Players didn't seem to know where the pass was supposed to go.

Now he knows he has Dembele, Ade, Lloris, Dempsey, he can start going about trying to fit them in. I also hope he simply decided to keep us solid and try not to be too attacking in his first matches before the squad was settled, because he knew losses could easily occur if he tried to go too far with changes when players were unsure of their place. That's the only reason I can think of for being so rigid in the last match.

I also hope that if he does now base his tactics around the likes of Dembele and Ade, we will still be able to perform effectively if they get injured. He must believe Defoe can do a job upfront on his own if he sanctioned a new contract, but I just hope if we have to play a base of any 2 from Sandro/Livermore/Parker in the future that it is worked on so that we don't struggle to get the ball forward in the future.
 
There's no doubt we'll miss Modric and Van der Vaart, but let's not forget that we got 70 points in 2009/10 when a) VDV wasn't here, and b) Modric was injured for half the season, and barely played in central midfield even when he did play.

Sigurdsson and Dempsey have just as much goalscoring ability as VDV, and whilst their assist records weren't as good last season (10,7 and 6 respectively if averaged out across 38 full matches) they weren't massively different, and they did have inferior players to assist.

Dembele may not have the same range of passing as Modric, but he's no less of a direct goal / assist threat, he has a similar ability to ghost past players and get the ball into the opponents' final third, and he's much better at winning the ball back than Modric IMO.

Give these players time to bed in and to (hopefully) learn to press really effectively, and we may not miss Modric and VDV as much as we're expecting too now.

Having said that, personally I would rather see a system in which we sit back in our own half when not in possession, and press super-aggressively as soon as they enter our half. And then attack / break quickly if and when we regain possession. Whilst our new players might be well-suited to pressing, they seem less well-suited to a patient possession-based game.

There is no doubt that Siggy and Dempsey are good players but for me they do not have the same impact on a match as VDV had. Beyond the goals and assists VDV was excellent at recycling possession and I'm not sure the two guys are up to the same level (yet). In saying that, this was often a double edged sword as VDV often ran out of steam 65-70mins into most matches. I'm pretty sure that VDVs stats showed him running as much if not more than most of his team mates but this was compressed into 3/4 of the match rather the the full 90min. This was especially true when Spurs was chasing a game. VDV seemed to take it on himself to drag the team over the line single handedly. Anyway he's gone now and we will have to adapt.

Dembele is someone I've wanted at Spurs from the moment I saw him play. He has improved progressively over the last couple of seasons but even when he was totally raw I could see he had something special in his locker. Very exited about him and given time and the proper coaching I firmly believe he will be better than Modric. And then we can sell him to Madrid.

My last thought (as I should be working) is that whatever system AVB introduces has to be flexible to allow freedom of expression for our more creative players. The system cannot be so rigid as to make us uber predictable. We still need to retain some element of spontaneity or we'll be tinkle easy to defend against. Of the creative players we have left on our books for me it's Dembele and Hudd that should be on the pitch if possible. They have the most natural talent of all our players and somehow have to be accommodated with the team structure, and their deficiencies compensated for by other players. I don't know how that is going to work but that's AVB's job to figure it out.
 
http://thinkfootball.co.uk/tactical-analysis-how-have-spurs-set-up-under-avb-so-far/

Tactical Analysis: How have Spurs set up under AVB so far?
By Jake Meador

For the past two years, Spurs have favored a 4-4-1-1 attack that used the creativity of Luka Modric and Rafa Van der Vaart in central roles and the pace of Gareth Bale and Aaron Lennon in wide roles to create scoring chances. For all their creative guile and pace, however, those Spurs’ sides often amounted to little more than counter-attacking teams. True, they played the most attractive counter-attacking football in England, but that’s all they did. When Spurs played a team that would play positive and try to win, Spurs would often tear them to ribbons. But when they played a defensive minded team that would play for the draw, Spurs couldn’t break them down and became vulnerable to the counter themselves. Hence their awful record in 2010/11 against bottom half sides and their late season swoon last year. Spurs could fly high, but that was all they could do. They couldn’t grind out wins consistently and they couldn’t get late game equalizers or winners because they couldn’t break down sides that played for the draw or tried a quick smash and grab. In fact, the only time they ever were able to grind out wins during the Redknapp era was during the first half of the 11/12 campaign when a revitalized Ledley King led the defense and a fully-fit Scott Parker prowled midfield. Once King’s form nosedived – which coincided with the late-game penalty he gave away at Emirates Marketing Project – and Parker started struggling with injuries, Spurs reverted to their 10/11 form.

These are the things that must be kept in mind in light of Andre Villas Boas’ massive overhaul of the side. Many neutrals have looked in shock at the creative destruction of the past months and asked “Why would you completely dissemble a team that only nine months ago looked prime for a title challenge?” But that question betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of Spurs. Going into last season, Spurs were widely expected to struggle for 5th behind their London rivals. They were considered a top 6 club, but not a bona fide top 4. And after their two early season pastings at the hands of the Manchester sides, that suspicion seemed justified amongst the rest of the league. So teams came at Spurs thinking they could win the full three points. Which, as explained above, amounted to a form of suicide. Attacking Tottenham meant giving Modric and Van der Vaart room to create and Bale and Lennon room to run. Given the talent of those players, it’s no surprise that Spurs looked like title contenders last December. But last year’s Spurs team was never as good as their early season scintillating form suggested. Rather, they were the beneficiaries of other teams adopting the worst possible strategy to stop them. So last year’s side finished about where they should have in the table. They were a top 4 side, but never a top 2 and certainly not a side able to compete this season with a reinvigorated Chelsea, something which was true even before Modric’s departure and even more so after.

The conservative change, of course, would be rather simple: Play a 4-2-3-1 with Parker and Sandro in holding roles and some combination of Bale, Lennon, Van der Vaart, or Sigurddson in the three advanced roles supporting Adebayor. But the first three matches demonstrated the problems with this approach. With two holding mids in a midfield tandem with three advanced creators in front of them, Spurs become utterly bereft of creativity. Whenever the ball goes into midfield, there’s never any doubt where it will go: either Assou-Ekotto or Walker making a run out wide or the shortest, safest pass to one of the three advanced creators (or Adebayor if he comes deep). The result is a very predictable, methodical offensive attack that depends almost entirely upon Bale and Lennon using their pace to get to the edge and cross the ball to the middle.

Look at these heat maps from Parker and Sandro’s performance when they played together as a midfield two last season. Combined, they had 11 touches in the attacking half. And that was in a late season match with QPR where Spurs had to have the full three points and were playing from behind from the 24th minute till the end. Even in such desperate circumstances, Sandro and Parker seldom crossed midfield.

This also means that Van der Vaart was often starved for service. Van der Vaart is a fantastic player but also a frustrating one. Generally, because of his lack of strength and pace, the more touches he takes at one time, the less effective he is. He needs to get the ball in a more advanced central role and then take one or two touches before making his move, whether that’s taking a shot on goal (as in his fantastic goal at Euro 2012) or picking out a pass to one of his fellow attackers (as he often did in his fine link up play with Peter Crouch in his first season at White Hart Lane). But Modric was essential for getting that sort of service to Van der Vaart. Modric created the space Rafa needed with his own jinking runs and, more often than not, was the player to pick out Van der Vaart with a pass. Revisit Van der Vaart’s goal against Inter in the Champions League. Van der Vaart got the plaudits but there were maybe three players in the world who could’ve made the run and pass that Modric made to create that goal. With Modric off and two sturdy but utterly uncreative players in midfield, Rafa becomes far less effective. Consider the contrast in heat maps between his final match at Spurs with Sandro and Livermore in midfield and one of his finest hours with Spurs, the late season 2-0 win over Liverpool during the 10/11 campaign with Modric in midfield.

Against West Brom playing without Modric, Van der Vaart received the ball 11 times in the attacking half. Against Liverpool, Modric was in the squad and in only 53 minutes of play, Van der Vaart received it 28 times in the attacking half. Put another way: Against West Brom 28% of Rafa’s first touches were in the attacking half. Against Liverpool 84% of Van der Vaart’s first touches came in the attacking half.

In short, Modric cannot be replaced by simply adopting a sturdier 4-2-3-1 formation with Bale, Rafa and Lennon across the front three and two defensive midfielders controlling the center of the park. The whole attacking philosophy has to be reimagined to compensate for the loss of the Croatian regista. If it isn’t, Spurs attack will become too predictable, their advanced creators will be marginalized and Spurs will struggle mightily for goals. That is why Van der Vaart suddenly became expendable, despite being Spurs’ best creative talent in a side lacking in creativity. When Hamburg came in with a bid two million higher than what we paid for him two years before… how do you turn that down? Especially given his legendary status at the club, where he’s loved as much as he is at White Hart Lane and given that his wife works as a TV presenter in Hamburg. Even without signing another player, that’s good business.

In the next article, I will explain how the new arrivals of Gylffi Sigurddson, Clint Dempsey, and Moussa Dembele can help reshape Spurs attack. And why losing Van der Vaart may not be the end of the world after all.

Second half of this:


Tactical Analysis: Spurs’ tactical future is with a 4-3-3
By Jake Meador

In the last article, I laid out the reasons that Spurs’ attacking philosophy needed a massive overhaul after Modric’s departure. In this article, I hope to establish why Spurs attacking future is a 4-3-3 that features a midfield of Sandro or Parker playing alongside Dembele and Sigurdsson.

The basic problem facing Spurs post-Modric is this: How can they creatively advance the ball to create high-quality scoring chances? With Modric, all the creative potential of their side was summed up in one player who made the whole attack go. Without him, the side have looked much more pedestrian, struggling to create chances off the predictable passing moves of Sandro and Livermore. The only time Spurs looked consistently threatening in the first two matches came when Lennon or Bale received the ball in space out wide and ran at their defender. But whenever the ball was in central areas, Spurs have looked extremely predictable. So what do you do about that? I’m going to propose that you drop your advanced central midfielder (usually Sigurdsson) back into a midfield three. With two holding mids in the center, he doesn’t get enough service to be effective anyway.

By deploying a midfield three, you can be a bit more flexible in what sort of players you slot into those roles. Rather than needing two defensive players to cover the vast central midfield area, you can have three players patrolling the area – which means you can get away with playing only one strict destroyer. In the other two spots, you can use a distributor (think Xavi at Barcelona or Fabregas during his Arsenal days) and a runner to link up play between the midfield two and front three (here you should think of Iniesta at Barca, Rosicky at Arsenal, or Lampard at Chelsea). The other interesting thing with this set up is that in games where you are the more talented side, 4-3-3 can easily become 3-4-3 with the destroyer sliding into defense with the two center backs and the two fullbacks moving forward to flank the remaining two midfielders. Given Parker and Sandro’s positional conservatism and the more enterprising mentality of Benoit Assou-Ekotto and Kyle Walker, it isn’t hard to see Spurs shifting more toward a 3-4-3 against lower half sides. So this approach – three midfield players with each one assuming a distinct role in the side – is what I believe Villas Boas is trying to establish at Spurs. And if you look at his recent transfers with that philosophy in mind then they begin to make a bit more sense.

So pretend Spurs never signed Dembele and Dempsey and they kept Van der Vaart. Now they’re heading into the remainder of the season with the squad they had last Saturday. If you take Dembele out of the side and play a 4-3-3 with two holders and Sigurdsson or Van der Vaart, what you actually end up with is precisely the sort of thing that I already showed won’t work: a 4-2-3-1 without any creativity and in which your central attacking midfielder becomes marginalized due to lack of service.

What’s needed to make that midfield three work is a destroyer to shield the back line, a distributor who can make the attack go without taking many touches but who can make quick one or two touch passes to spring the attack to life, and a midfielder who can retain possession to either slow play down or to advance the ball simply by running at defenders. It’s that marauding runner who will stretch defenses and create space for the wide attacking players and he’s absolutely essential to making the system go. Modric used to be that for Spurs. What made him so remarkable is that he played that role and the regista role simultaneously, deciding which route to go based on what was available to him when he received the ball. In the new setup, Dembele will be the runner who stretches the defense and Sigurdsson will play the role of distributor. Consider Dembele’s heat map and average position map from his final match with Fulham against Man United:

Notice that in the heat map, Dembele almost always takes his first touch behind the halfway line. But on the average position map, he’s in a more advanced position (look for number 30, just below the midfield circle on the United side of the field). That reflects what anyone who watched the game could see for themselves: Most of Fulham’s most promising attacks came off long runs by Dembele where he beat the first man and then forced another United defender to come out of their position to stop his run. That’s how you stretch defenses and that’s how you create space to make life easier on your other attacking players. You think Bale, Adebayor, Dempsey, Sigurdsson and Lennon aren’t excited to benefit from Dembele’s mazy runs? Thanks to Dembele’s runs, Sigurdsson can operate in a more central role as a distributor. But he’ll also have freedom to jump ahead and join the attack in a role much like his closest Premiership analog, Frank Lampard, mostly looking for quick touches to set up teammates or the chance for an unmarked run from deep toward the goal. So Spurs midfield three would be Sandro, Sigurdsson and Dembele with Parker, Huddlestone, and Livermore available off the bench.

There are a couple other points to consider as well. In a 4-3-3, there are always five other places where attacking threats can come from. But thanks to the canny transfer activity of the past summer, Spurs actually have six other players to involve in the attack. So let’s talk about them.

First is Adebayor. He’s a number nine striker, but he’s a number nine with phenomenal range and good passing ability (and, sadly for Spurs supporters, a less than reliable record as a finisher). Interestingly, the only Premiership striker who really compares to Adebayor is former Spurs striker Peter Crouch. Consider:

The first heat map is from Adebayor’s five star performance against Saudi Sportswashing Machine in which he scored one goal and assisted on four others. The second is from Crouch’s best game with Stoke when he scored a wonder goal against City late last season. In both cases, the strikers, though they look like conventional number nines, drop deep to receive the ball and distribute to other attackers. That makes Adebayor a tougher striker to mark and the space he vacates up top creates space for Sigurdsson or Dembele to attack or, more probable, the next person we need to talk about: Gareth Bale.

I’ve already described how Bale will likely be used by AVB so I won’t belabor the point here. All I will add is that what might seem a role too free for Bale’s own good when considered by itself should become much more sensible when set alongside these other considerations. Distilled to its essence, AVB’s philosophy is about shrinking the field when the opponent is on the ball and maximizing it when in possession. Bale’s more nomadic role in this setup, when set alongside the runs of a marauding midfielder and the free role of Adebayor up top should make him that much more difficult to mark. And taken within the larger system, it makes Spurs that much more unpredictable as an attacking force.

Next is the third player up front, which I anticipate will be either Aaron Lennon or Clint Dempsey. When it’s Lennon, I expect we’ll see him play a pretty typical right wing role with Bale being the player who cuts inside and supports Adebayor. But when it’s Dempsey, that will create a whole new set of challenges for defenders. Dempsey is, in many ways, the embodiment of American soccer at its pinnacle: Rugged, hard-working, fundamentally sound, and able to use those compound word virtues to make up for a lack of pace or obvious flair on the ball. He’s also a player who can line up anywhere in midfield or even as a center forward in a pinch. With Spurs I anticipate he’ll play on the right hand side of a 4-3-3 opposite Gareth Bale, though if Bale gets hurt he could easily shift left and play opposite Aaron Lennon. What makes Dempsey so exciting is that he can pop up just about anywhere to receive the ball, he has extremely intelligent movement and he finishes very well in front of goal. If the opposite wide man and Dembele can stretch the defense, I suspect Sigurdsson and Dempsey will both benefit enormously. To illustrate Dempsey’s versatility, look at these heat maps from several of his games last season. How do you mark a guy who covers that much space and does so as intelligently as the man Americans call Deuce? That’s the question Premiership defenses will have to answer.

The final three players to consider will provide support from the back line. Two are obvious: Benoit Assou-Ekotto, who is now one of Spurs’ most important creative players, and Kyle Walker, last year’s PFA Young Player of the Year. It’s the attacking ability of these two players that should allow Spurs to shift into a functional 3-4-3 when in possession against overmatched opponents. Assou-Ekotto is a massively underrated creator from the left back role and Walker’s danger down the right is already well known.

The final piece to the puzzle is Jan Vertonghen. Something worth watching next time you see Spurs play is how the defenders fan out whenever the keeper has the ball. The fullbacks press up almost to midfield and the two center halves both flair out into wide roles where you’d usually expect to see the fullbacks. This will likely become even more pronounced with the more technically adept Hugo Lloris in goal. So even the center halves are going to be cast in a more aggressive light in this system. And that should suit Vertonghen beautifully. Able to play midfield or left back without missing a beat, the Belgian international offers another attacking threat for Spurs – a threat that was on full display during his debut against West Brom when he narrowly missed a scoring chance in the first half and had a late winner waved off when William Gallas was called offside. It will be intriguing to see how Vertonghen is deployed for Spurs.

For all the reasons described above, AVB’s Spurs have the potential to be a very exciting team that plays attractive, aggressive football. But there’s a caveat to all this: The early returns have not been pretty. Much like AVB’s Chelea, Spurs have enjoyed a lot of possession and created a fair number of shots, but they haven’t scored enough goals. They’ve also shown a lot of fragility late in games. (If games ended after 80 minutes, Spurs would be undefeated with seven points.) I suspect that many of the problems go back to the difficulties that Spurs have had with AVB’s system. On paper, the system is supposed to make the creativity happen. Under Redknapp, you depended upon the impulsive creativity of geniuses like Modric and Van der Vaart. In AVB’s system players are meant to be put into positions where creativity becomes easier and more likely to happen. But that hasn’t happened early on. Bale has struggled to decide when he should stay wide and when he should look to cut inside. Most the team has looked uncertain about what to do with the ball when they have it. They look like a team that is struggling to learn a system and is spending too much of their time thinking and too little playing. (They also look like a team struggling for fitness, which could be a product of AVB’s training technique or could simply be early-season fitness issues.) If things go as planned, the players will take to the system in time and we’ll start to see the kind of free-flowing attacking football that I’ve described above. However, that’s all contingent upon the players grasping the system. For the past four years they’ve played under a manager with an exceedingly light touch who trusted his starters to go out and figure things out for themselves. Under AVB it’s a whole new ball game. If Spurs can become comfortable in the system and play within it, rather than constantly thinking about what they are supposed to be doing moment-to-moment, then they’ll do quite well. But if they can’t, then it could be déjà vu for AVB.

http://thinkfootball.co.uk/tactical-analysis-spurs-tactical-future-is-with-a-4-3-3/
 
Decent follow up to his previous article...

What worries me, is what happens when after we've picked up a few results, finally getting Dembele, Dempsey and Ade all in the same team, that one of them gets injured? I get the feeling we will be basing our success on having one of them fit and not being able to function if they aren't available.
 
Re: Hugo Lloris

Interesting that Defoes interview today said that he is very organised and has a different way of playing from match to match and knows exactly how he wants them to play each time.

That would suggest some flexibility to me. Just because its the same formation it can still be played multiple ways.

Doesnt this worry you Nayim? It does me. If this is really the case, then I am back to promoting my three at the back idea for the Reading game!

I hope for all our sakes that he has more of a strategic gameplan for the team. I think there is a lot of sense in the GB articles and hope he will prove correct in his analysis. At least it has re-ignited my excitement and I cant wait for the Reading game now to see the next installment
 
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Re: Hugo Lloris

Doesnt this worry you Nayim? It does me. If this is really the case, then I am back to promoting my three at the back idea for the Reading game!

I hope for all our sakes that he has more of a strategic gameplan for the team.

No. I think any good team should have flexibility within its 'base' formation to exploit weaknesses/combat strengths of the opposition.

Simple instructions can change the game plan while remaining a (for example) 433. Sit 10 yards deeper to be wary of the counter or open space up front. Focus on the left side - they are weak there. This team is fragile at the back - more higher balls....
 
Re: Hugo Lloris

No. I think any good team should have flexibility within its 'base' formation to exploit weaknesses/combat strengths of the opposition.

Simple instructions can change the game plan while remaining a (for example) 433. Sit 10 yards deeper to be wary of the counter or open space up front. Focus on the left side - they are weak there. This team is fragile at the back - more higher balls....


These.


Press 'x' player, he is not good when forced to make a quick decision, run at 'x' player.. try to isolate x player.. etc..
 
Me either. Sigurdsson is best at the top of midfield. To the point where Im not sure he is any good anywhere else (unlike Dempsey who seems genuinely versatile).

...........Sandro.........Dembele
..................Sigurdsson

Sensible.

...........Sandro.........Sigurdsson
..................Dembele

Not right. Move the goal threat back, the lower goal threat forward. Move the one who can get the ball forward forward, and the one who needs it supplied errr ... back?
 
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Re: Hugo Lloris

Doesnt this worry you Nayim? It does me. If this is really the case, then I am back to promoting my three at the back idea for the Reading game!

I hope for all our sakes that he has more of a strategic gameplan for the team. I think there is a lot of sense in the GB articles and hope he will prove correct in his analysis. At least it has re-ignited my excitement and I cant wait for the Reading game now to see the next installment


Got to go back and find your line-up...or could you post it again?!!! Interesting thing here is that 3-5-2 was Hoddle's dream!!!!! I think long-term, IF he can mould a squad which can be as tactically malleable as he wants us to be, we would enjoy success like we haven't seen for decades The question now, for me, is culture versus ideas versus concepts versus ingrained mentality. We are certainly for a very interesting season. It's a shame the man cannot enjoy 6 media-free months, as the pressure will become insane.
 
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