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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread

punk_is_back` said:
If we really wanted to be arrogant pricks and play good football we should play the following formation:



GK

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Bae

Hudd

Modric Rafa

Sigurddson Lennon Bale

All we need to do is control possession in midfield and allow the youthful front three to run around pulling the opposition out of place and pressing from the front. Add Sandro instead of Hudd if you want a true Holder and you're sorted.
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Ignoring that that team would get ripped apart by half of the teams in the Premiership. I don't understand why people keep posting teams with VdV in central midfield and Sigurddson up front. If VdV is at the club at the beginning of the season, I think that he will play off a striker and I think that Sigurddson has been signed as a goal scoring box to box midfielder.

I also do not think that you are going to see any Premiership side regularly line up without a striker this season.
 
milo said:
Ignoring that that team would get ripped apart by half of the teams in the Premiership. I don't understand why people keep posting teams with VdV in central midfield and Sigurddson up front. If VdV is at the club at the beginning of the season, I think that he will play off a striker and I think that Sigurddson has been signed as a goal scoring box to box midfielder.

I also do not think that you are going to see any Premiership side regularly line up without a striker this season.
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well looking at the 'AVB' formation/tactic in Brainclipse' post further up the page the central midfield spot is more of one with licence to roam forward

furthermore im wondering if VdV would play a more disciplined role if he was given specific instructions by his coach - Redknapp seemed to give him as much freedom as he wanted and maybe that is why we seem him play a more free role
 
billyiddo said:
well looking at the 'AVB' formation/tactic in Brainclipse' post further up the page the central midfield spot is more of one with licence to roam forward

furthermore im wondering if VdV would play a more disciplined role if he was given specific instructions by his coach - Redknapp seemed to give him as much freedom as he wanted and maybe that is why we seem him play a more free role
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I don't see playing in a midfield three in 4-3-3 plays to VdV's strengths. He can play a disciplined role and did at times under Redknapp, particularly against the better teams when he would be asked to make up the numbers in midfield, but I think that you lose a lot of what is best about his game and he is best further forward.
 
I should add that I think that

...............Sandro......Moutinho
...................Sigurddson
..............................................Bale
...........VdV
.....................Adebayor

Is a more balanced and likely formation
 
milo said:
I should add that I think that

..................Sandro......Moutinho
Sigurddson
...............................................Bale
..............VdV
.....................Adebayor

Is a more balanced and likely formation
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i like the look of that
 
Chelsea look like a really good team next season with their AMs they have bought

Essien Lampard

Mata Hazard De Bruyne

That would scare the bejeessus out of any defence.
 
milo said:
Ignoring that that team would get ripped apart by half of the teams in the Premiership. I don't understand why people keep posting teams with VdV in central midfield and Sigurddson up front. If VdV is at the club at the beginning of the season, I think that he will play off a striker and I think that Sigurddson has been signed as a goal scoring box to box midfielder.

I also do not think that you are going to see any Premiership side regularly line up without a striker this season.
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Are you saying that because of how advanced the wide players are? Or because of the players in central midfield?

I agree about swapping Sigurdsson and VdV. If Sigurdsson is going to play in one of the wide positions I think he should be used like Kranjcar and play on the left so that he can cut inside onto his strongest foot.
 
I know the striker situation needs addressing but I'm looking forward to seeing how AVB addresses the winger situation. Bale and Lennon obviously are automatic starters for their respective positions but will we see Townsend given a more important role? Will he back Bentley? Interesting to see what he does.
 
Roy1983 said:
I know the striker situation needs addressing but I'm looking forward to seeing how AVB addresses the winger situation. Bale and Lennon obviously are automatic starters for their respective positions but will we see Townsend given a more important role? Will he back Bentley? Interesting to see what he does.
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If we play 4-3-3 there will be less options for wingers not more. Lennon's lack of goals means that I can't see him playing more than a bit part under this formation which would put Townsend well down the list.
 
braineclipse said:
Are you saying that because of how advanced the wide players are? Or because of the players in central midfield?

I agree about swapping Sigurdsson and VdV. If Sigurdsson is going to play in one of the wide positions I think he should be used like Kranjcar and play on the left so that he can cut inside onto his strongest foot.
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I'm saying it because it lacks balance. In midfield Modric would have to do the running because the others aren't capable and up front there is no focal point and not enough goals. That team would get over run and out muscled.

I think that Sig will play a similar role for us as Lampard did for Chelsea. Goals from central midfield are essential in an effective 4-3-3and we have no one else who can do this.
 
milo said:
I'm saying it because it lacks balance. In midfield Modric would have to do the running because the others aren't capable and up front there is no focal point and not enough goals. That team would get over run and out muscled.

I think that Sig will play a similar role for us as Lampard did for Chelsea. Goals from central midfield are essential in an effective 4-3-3and we have no one else who can do this.
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You really think Modric is going to stay?
 
milo said:
I think that Sig will play a similar role for us as Lampard did for Chelsea. Goals from central midfield are essential in an effective 4-3-3and we have no one else who can do this.
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Ive thought this from the moment he signed, he will be the tip of the midfield three. He wont be a bit-part player, and he wont play wide (IMO of course)

Sigursdsson, Modric (Moutinho), Sandro (Parker) looks a really really well balanced midfield to me. It is defensively sound through Sandro and the fact you have three closing space, it has Modric pulling it all together, and helping get the ball out to the wings and Sigurdsson as someone to play off of to get the ball forward and then arrive in the box for goals. Very Chelsea like in the Lampard/Essien/Mikel kind of dynamic (though not the same obviously)

In a 433 I think its MORE important for the 'Lampard' to score than the wingers. If you push that midfielder forward and the wingers provide you are looking very similar to 442 all of a sudden. Beauty is for me though that (like a 442, but easier) the winger on the opposite flank to the one with the ball can get into the box looking for goals as well. (I say easier by virtue of the relatively narrow start position)
 
milo said:
I'm saying it because it lacks balance. In midfield Modric would have to do the running because the others aren't capable and up front there is no focal point and not enough goals. That team would get over run and out muscled.

I think that Sig will play a similar role for us as Lampard did for Chelsea. Goals from central midfield are essential in an effective 4-3-3and we have no one else who can do this.
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Cudicini
Hutton
Kaboul
Gallas
Assou-Ekotto
Lennon
Huddlestone
Van der Vaart
Modric
Bale
Crouch

That was the line up we used when we beat Inter at home. It's one of several examples where Huddlestone and Modric together in midfield worked very well either as part of a 3 or 2 man central midfield against some pretty decent opponents.
 
as we played 4-5-1 alot last season, I think we may still be able to keep the overall shape and most of our personnel.

for those who know how porto plays, do they maintain high defensive line throughout the game? i think that's too risky in the English game, and it would not allow us to take full advantage of the pace we have on the wings.
 
Personally I believe high defensive lines can work in Spain/Portugal etc where the football is slow in tempo and short passing is needed.

The problem with employing this tactic in england is your going to get the ball fired behind your full back a lot and getting squeezed back. I think for the high line to work we will need about 70% possession in games. I am not sure AVB is a possession man ala Rodgers/Pep etc.

Just my view.
 
When you guys talk about a "high defensive line" are you talking about when we have possession, when we don't have possession or both?

To me it makes very little sense to talk about a high defensive line when we have possession.
 
Shropshire Yid said:
Personally I believe high defensive lines can work in Spain/Portugal etc where the football is slow in tempo and short passing is needed.

The problem with employing this tactic in england is your going to get the ball fired behind your full back a lot and getting squeezed back. I think for the high line to work we will need about 70% possession in games. I am not sure AVB is a possession man ala Rodgers/Pep etc.

Just my view.
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Swansea made it work.

To be honest I think almost any style can work anywhere, as long as you have the right players to do it. If our players are pressing high up the pitch and forcing the opposition in to mistakes/hoofing the ball in behind Kyle Walker we will take that all day long. If it's carried out right, they won't have time to measure a good pass in behind our defence, and the opposition forwards won't have been able to make the run that will see him evade our defence.

I think AVB is a possession man. In the book about him, it talks about how the Porto fans needed to 'accept' the fact that the ball would need to be passed back to the defence a lot, and not to get frustrated or impatient. And once they realised it could work, they did accept it. I hope our fans will not get annoyed if we are playing the ball back and telling our players to get it forward quickly if he does try and play that way.

However, I do think AVB may be a bit more adaptable to certain situations in game than someone that is pure tiki-taka. He says that football is chaotic and that his team needs to have different plans for everything that can occur, so I think he will be able to adjust to different styles but will always try to play with initiative and in an attacking sense.
 
braineclipse said:
When you guys talk about a "high defensive line" are you talking about when we have possession, when we don't have possession or both?

To me it makes very little sense to talk about a high defensive line when we have possession.
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It is both, if you play a high line in possesion then it compresses the play and gives you more passing options, the only downer is you can get caught by the ball played over the top, its going to be bloody interesting at the start of next season.
 
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