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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread

I'd have thought , Defoe in a three up top would play on the left ... He can cut in on his right , shoot and pass like he's done against the Goons in recent years.
For crosses from the left, perhaps Bale would be the over lapping left back behind Defoe or is that one for the controversial thread ?
 
Jordinho said:
Don't see Hudd as DM, he could play further up the field. Don't really rate Livermore, but I'm not sure Carroll is ready yet. Maybe Kane in the AMC role.
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I'm sort of a fanboy for Livermore... So he'd be my choice for that role, but as for Kane, where will AVB use him? if at all

Watched him yesterday as almost a RM/RW for England u21. Thought he was a central forward?
 
Jordinho said:
Don't see Hudd as DM, he could play further up the field. Don't really rate Livermore, but I'm not sure Carroll is ready yet. Maybe Kane in the AMC role.
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Hudd isn't a defensive midfielder as such, but his most natural position seems to be as a deep playmaker, or in a defensive position in midfield.

Neither Carroll or Kane are ready to be anywhere near first choice players in the Premiership imo.

Jordinho said:
Parker is the only true DM in the squad right now, the others have more mobility or are better in other aspects of the game than him.
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How about Sandro? Would a player have to be lacking certain abilities to be a true DM?
 
VolSpur said:
I'm sort of a fanboy for Livermore... So he'd be my choice for that role, but as for Kane, where will AVB use him? if at all

Watched him yesterday as almost a RM/RW for England u21. Thought he was a central forward?
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Kane played as a central midfielder for England u19 yesterday.

Will most likely be a attacking midfielder or striker 3rd/4th choice or sent out on loan.
 
VolSpur said:
I'm sort of a fanboy for Livermore... So he'd be my choice for that role, but as for Kane, where will AVB use him? if at all

Watched him yesterday as almost a RM/RW for England u21. Thought he was a central forward?
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I think Livermore is nothing more than a journeyman, he's too sloppy in posession to be anything else. Can't fault him for trying as he does seem to want to help bring the ball forward, but you can't be a world beater just on industry. Sandro is our man.
 
braineclipse said:
Hudd isn't a defensive midfielder as such, but his most natural position seems to be as a deep playmaker, or in a defensive position in midfield.

Neither Carroll or Kane are ready to be anywhere near first choice players in the Premiership imo.

How about Sandro? Would a player have to be lacking certain abilities to be a true DM?
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I think Hudd could perform well further up the pitch.

Sandro can play as a DM, but he has a lot more to his game. Parker don't.
 
Jordinho said:
I think Hudd could perform well further up the pitch.

Sandro can play as a DM, but he has a lot more to his game. Parker don't.
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I think that the problem with playing Hudd further up the pitch is that he will not get the time and space to play his game
 
Jordinho said:
I think Hudd could perform well further up the pitch.

Sandro can play as a DM, but he has a lot more to his game. Parker don't.
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Hudd could, possibly, maybe. If somehow we could get him into good shooting positions consistently that would be good, but I just don't think he has the movement to function well enough in the tight situations around the box and in the final third. To me he is at his best when given a bit of space and time on the ball.
 
WookieD said:
I think Livermore is nothing more than a journeyman, he's too sloppy in posession to be anything else. Can't fault him for trying as he does seem to want to help bring the ball forward, but you can't be a world beater just on industry. Sandro is our man.
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See i thought he was excellent at keeping possession for us when he played towards the end of the season. Also think he's got twice the technical ability of Sandro. He's just not the same level of tackler that Sandro is.
 
VolSpur said:
See i thought he was excellent at keeping possession for us when he played towards the end of the season. Also think he's got twice the technical ability of Sandro. He's just not the same level of tackler that Sandro is.
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I agree. Although I think Sandro's reputation on the ball was tarnished by some of his poor performances when returning from injury last season, in his first season I thought his passing and on the ball work was better than it was last season. Although still not quite as good as Livermore.
 
About Sandro, what do people feel is his best position in the team. For the sake of argument assuming a formation as the one frequently listed as AVB's preferred at Porto.

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As far as I can tell there are 3 options.

1. The defensive midfield position. Would obviously utilize his abilities as a ball winner, he could stop counter attacks in their tracks while also get back fairly quickly if need be, but as this person is often ask to do also be a playmaker this is a bit of a problem.

2. The right central midfielder, essentially the role Ramires had at Chelsea. Would allow him to do a lot of running and utilize him box to box, but he isn't quite as good on the ball as a player in this role maybe should be. Would still allow him to be involved in a lot of pressing and ball winning while also allowing him to use his stamina to get back.

3. Central defender. Has been mentioned and possibly discussed in the past, but the position I would most like to hear people's opinion on. I have long seen him as a somewhat similar player to Mascherano who was quite successfully moved to the back at Barca. For a high pressing team one on one defending and tackling becomes more important than positioning as when the high pressing fails the defenders are often left one on one or two on two with plenty of space around them. His height should allow him to deal with long balls and crosses better than the much shorter Mascherano.

His technique and passing while only alright for a midfielder would be quite good for a defender where he wouldn't be put under as much pressure. Wouldn't allow him to use his stamina and run around as much and since it's not a position he has played much he would probably need some time to adjust...
 
Looking at that, our back two should quite easily be Vertonghen and Kaboul and Sandro should be our defensive midfielder. Moutinho (if we get him) or Modric the left sided central midfielder and wow I am probably going to get shot down for this but Lennon in the central role NEXT to Modric. In the Hulk role you play either Sigurdsson or VDV and Bale where Varela is.
 
Mumorn said:
Looking at that, our back two should quite easily be Vertonghen and Kaboul and Sandro should be our defensive midfielder. Moutinho (if we get him) or Modric the left sided central midfielder and wow I am probably going to get shot down for this but Lennon in the central role NEXT to Modric. In the Hulk role you play either Sigurdsson or VDV and Bale where Varela is.
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I remember seeing a heatmap for one of our games last season and we had set our stall in our regular 4-4-1-1 formation with a Bale, Parker, Mods, Lennon midfield behind Ade and Rafa. The heatmap actually showed that the shape of the team was more a 4-3-3 with Lennon tucked inside next to parker and Bale higher up and wider next to rafa and Ade. I think lennon has the short passing ability and the workrate to play in a 3 man CM.
 
punk_is_back` said:
I remember seeing a heatmap for one of our games last season and we had set our stall in our regular 4-4-1-1 formation with a Bale, Parker, Mods, Lennon midfield behind Ade and Rafa. The heatmap actually showed that the shape of the team was more a 4-3-3 with Lennon tucked inside next to parker and Bale higher up and wider next to rafa and Ade. I think lennon has the short passing ability and the workrate to play in a 3 man CM.
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I was thinking that too, when I was thinking of where Lennon would fit in, if it isn't in Varela's position wide on the left then he could perhaps do a good job in Beluschi's role. He would help out pressing, he is good in possession and retains it well, and he could break forward with pace. If we had someone dangerous - Bale!! - cutting in from the right in a Hulk role, and then Lennon goes to double team on that side too, and then Walker is also bombing up creating an overload, that would be huge.

However I think it will be Lennon as Varela, Sigurdsson as Beluschi, and Sandro as Fernando. AVB liked the 3 midfielders to rotate at Porto but seems to acknowledge that in England it's more important to have someone holding their position in the anchorman role. I think that will suit Sandro, with Parker backing him up after being given a rest at the start of the season to recover from injuries.
 
I think people are vastly overthinking AVB's "system"

We are not Cheat$ki/City, he will have to use the best players we have while building to that system.

I fully expect Brad, Lennon, VDV and a few others to play a significant role in our 1st team this season under AVB.
 
Raziel said:
I think people are vastly overthinking AVB's "system"

We are not Cheat$ki/City, he will have to use the best players we have while building to that system.

I fully expect Brad, Lennon, VDV and a few others to play a significant role in our 1st team this season under AVB.
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I don't think we would have signed Sig if we weren't building towards it - he's going to be expecting to play or he wouldn't have turned down Liverpool for us. I think he will be more than just a Kranjcar replacement.

I think we can build towards playing his system. It's about getting the right player types, not neccesarily ones that are proven yet. Swansea built towards a system - it doesn't mean that Sinclair and Dyer were the best wide players around for example but they fitted the profile they wanted there.
 
Raziel said:
I think people are vastly overthinking AVB's "system"

We are not Cheat$ki/City, he will have to use the best players we have while building to that system.

I fully expect Brad, Lennon, VDV and a few others to play a significant role in our 1st team this season under AVB.
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He played a system at Chelsea that was quite different from what they were used to and was drastically different from the system Di Matteo thought was best for that squad when he took over. He did so without spending a ton of money on first choice players.

Seems to me like the kind of manager who has a very clear idea and long term plan about how he wants his team to play and who will start building towards that from day one. I could obviously be wrong though.

I agree about Lennon and VdV, not so sure about Brad.
 
If we really wanted to be arrogant pricks and play good football we should play the following formation:



GK

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Bae

Hudd

Modric Rafa

Sigurddson Lennon Bale

All we need to do is control possession in midfield and allow the youthful front three to run around pulling the opposition out of place and pressing from the front. Add Sandro instead of Hudd if you want a true Holder and you're sorted.
 
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