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well, it has been leaked to the press that AVB will not allow Defoe to leave this summer, so AVB must see something in him that he can work with
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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread
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well, it has been leaked to the press that AVB will not allow Defoe to leave this summer, so AVB must see something in him that he can work with
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
Hulk can't cross and hardly looks to pass.
Just a shame Hulk can beat an opponent otherwise they'd be the same player
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Defoe is a very greedy player who looks for the glory more times than not. You need a bit of this but not to the detriment of the team as a whole. In saying that I do like Defoe, frustrating as he is, but his resale value is on the way down so now is the time to flog him in my opinion. If he does end up staying then so be it, but I just can't see him getting much playing time under AVB except as an occasional impact sub. Mini-greedy-Hulk.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
He might to some extent. I'm not holding my breath though. Even though some of the weaknesses Defoe has are similar to the weaknesses Hulk has (in my opinion).
I do also wonder if Defoe could make it as a lone striker in a AVB system...
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Hulk can't cross and hardly looks to pass.
Just a shame Hulk can beat an opponent otherwise they'd be the same player
This!
Hulk is quite overrated by many I think. Obviously a good player, but I can't get convinced that he's as great as some claim.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Wrong, wrong and wrong, IMO.
Defoe has a cracking cross when he operates wide (admitedly not that often).
He has the close control and quick burst of pace to get around players.
He has worked considerably on his hold up play and passing abilities. Thats not to say he is brilliant at it, but "hardly looks to pass" isnt fair at all.
Ive always held the view that he could do a job as makeshift winger, I see no reason why he shouldnt be tried as a wide forward
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
Probably the single most overrated player on the talent
We must be talking about another player, surely!
He's always been a channel runner into space onto through balls, off the last defender. When has he beaten a man from a standing start? He outruns some of the weaker ones and blasts away.
Cracking cross - I can't recall a single instance during last season of such occurence. Perhaps you can refer me to some games.
Seriously - I have never disagreed more with a post in the last few months
Hulk can't cross and hardly looks to pass.
Just a shame Hulk can beat an opponent otherwise they'd be the same player
Yes, they are just about the same player . . .
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
You are welcome to disagree, Im really not interested in aguing the toss on it.
I think he is a decent player and that you do him a diservice, you think he is terrible or whatever. Either way its possible he is leaving and likely that if he stays we wont see much of him anyway - its not worth getting stuck into an argument on is it!?
I think he is a decent player and that you do him a diservice, you think he is terrible or whatever. Either way its possible he is leaving and likely that if he stays we wont see much of him anyway - its not worth getting stuck into an argument on is it!?
I don't think he's a terrible player - a slightly above average, upper end Prem striker, imv
Simply think he doesn not and has not ever possessed any of those 3 attributes described further back needed for the RF position. He's a poacher and little else.
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nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Which is fine. As I said, I think that does him a disservice - but Im happy to leave it there.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
Agreed with all this.
Except that i'm not so sure about his movement for a wing forward. i remember Jol quite blatantly trying to re-position defoe into a better all round forward . it didnt work out too good back then
but defo agreed on most everything else. especially the crossing.
Stating someone isn't able to perform a specific task - (i.e. beat his man from a standing start or cross the ball from out wide) isn't doing him disservice, imv - simply noting his shortcomings in certain areas. He does excel in other aspects such as agility, general awarness around the 18 yard area, running into space, decent shot strength, etc.
Jordinho you've got too many CDMs in your 2nd lineup...
Would imagine he'd drop VDV for Lennon in the first 11, and have a setup of:
Hudd - Livermore - Carroll
Gio - Defoe - Falque
in the second.
Going with AVBs system, it isn't imperative that we have a destroyer like Sandro or even Parker at CDM. That position needs to have someone who can drop between the 2 CBs and comfortably handle possession at the back, something IMO Livermore is more than capable of doing.
And i'm thinking VDV's on his way out
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
At Chelsea AVB went for one "inverted winger" cutting inside from one flank and one more normal winger on the other. Mata normally being the left footer on the left, although he drifted around quite a bit, not unlike Bale for us. Sturridge cutting inside from the right.
I agree about not needing a destroyer, but the for me obvious choice for the deep playmaker is Hudd as discussed previously in this thread.
WookieD
Didier Zokora
I'm actually wondering if Livermore might be a casualty in AVBs appointment, I can't see him fitting into his plans when you have Sandro ahead of him in every technical aspect of the game and most others besides.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Hudd isnt a DM, he is just a player that generally operates from a deeper position - not the same thing.
Livermore isnt a DM. He can tackle, but that doesnt make him a defensive player. He is more and all rounder/box to box type IMO.
He passes and moves very well, recycles possession well and (before we signed Sigurdsson*) I even tipped him as a surprise feature under AVB
* Not comparing the two too closely, but with Sigurdssons arrival Im just not sure I see Livermore getting opportunities