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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 78 47.6%

  • Out

    Votes: 86 52.4%
  • Total voters
    164
Firstly, I think there is little sentiment left in football these days.

Secondly, It depends how 'data led' we are now?
I think Brentford sacked a manager after what 'looked' like a good season (league finish etc) BUT the data underneath told them otherwise...so they parted ways
 
NYSpur said:
My previously expressed concern about our defensive structure remains. As the injury crisis eases, it was noticeable that we are back to the two at the back, full backs up the field formation. It continues to give our opponent great opportunities when we lose the ball. Ipswich had great chances yesterday and we seem to rely on our opponents missing gilt edged opportunities. I do not see how that is a template to win a title. Ironically, one has to wonder if we would be more defensively secure if Ange stuck with keeping the full backs deeper as he was recently forced to do. But that is not who we are, mate!
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Agreed. Against Villa we were wide open down our right side after 50 seconds, and they scored. Our midfield was wet paper and our right back was trying to score.

Never again we cried!

Against Ipswich the same thing happened, Delap charged into the space and Ipswich were millimetres from scoring after 22 seconds!

It is omitted from the highlights on youtube, but you can see it here if you have Spurs Play
play.tottenhamhotspur.com

Ipswich vs Spurs | Full Match | 2024/25

The full-match replay of our Premier League clash with Ipswich Town at Portman Road in February, 2025.
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Only 22 seconds, and we had kick-off!
At the start, Bergval tells Tel not to take the kick-off and to let someone else take it, so Tel can make a run forwards... we lay it back to Gray who pumps it long at Son, whilst Tel makes the wrong run. Unbelievable tactics. Son makes no effort to win it, so Ipswich easily gather it and we have 5 players ahead of the ball. Bentancur is bypassed like wet paper and Ipswich are in on goal with 3 attempts in 3 seconds and Spurs scraping at the goal line.
22 seconds man. Again.
 
NYSpur said:
My previously expressed concern about our defensive structure remains. As the injury crisis eases, it was noticeable that we are back to the two at the back, full backs up the field formation. It continues to give our opponent great opportunities when we lose the ball. Ipswich had great chances yesterday and we seem to rely on our opponents missing gilt edged opportunities. I do not see how that is a template to win a title. Ironically, one has to wonder if we would be more defensively secure if Ange stuck with keeping the full backs deeper as he was recently forced to do. But that is not who we are, mate!
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Theres an article on BBC about how control has regained dominance with Bournemouth, Brighton and Slot's adjustment, while Pep and Ange's high risk game has massively had the wheels come off
 
Gutter Boy said:
Theres an article on BBC about how control has regained dominance with Bournemouth, Brighton and Slot's adjustment, while Pep and Ange's high risk game has massively had the wheels come off
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Lol.... You do make me laugh... The article is actually saying exactly the opposite.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c20l7lw3ypzo

"Attacking quickly after a transition - when possession changes hands - is arguably overtaking Guardiola's philosophy at elite level, with emphasis increasingly placed on direct football that runs deliberately in contrast to possession and territory.

While Liverpool have been successful this season with less chaos and more control than they had under Jurgen Klopp, and Tottenham's rapid, linear football has come unstuck with a thin squad, the data is there.

Looking at Premier League statistics over the past eight seasons, since Guardiola's first title in England, we can see a clear trend of increases in high turnovers, pressing - shown by passes per defensive action (PPDA) coming down - plus fast breaks and direct attacks.
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Gutter Boy said:
Theres an article on BBC about how control has regained dominance with Bournemouth, Brighton and Slot's adjustment, while Pep and Ange's high risk game has massively had the wheels come off
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I'm sure you can find many people to write Postercoglu off, in the past I might have given some credence for something on BBC but as most of the stuff in the established media is sourced from the internet I tend to ignore it.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Lol.... You do make me laugh... The article is actually saying exactly the opposite.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c20l7lw3ypzo

"Attacking quickly after a transition - when possession changes hands - is arguably overtaking Guardiola's philosophy at elite level, with emphasis increasingly placed on direct football that runs deliberately in contrast to possession and territory.

While Liverpool have been successful this season with less chaos and more control than they had under Jurgen Klopp, and Tottenham's rapid, linear football has come unstuck with a thin squad, the data is there.

Looking at Premier League statistics over the past eight seasons, since Guardiola's first title in England, we can see a clear trend of increases in high turnovers, pressing - shown by passes per defensive action (PPDA) coming down - plus fast breaks and direct attacks.
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So that’s saying we’re good but the thin squad has stopped us
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I'm sure you can find many people to write Postercoglu off, in the past I might have given some credence for something on BBC but as most of the stuff in the established media is sourced from the internet I tend to ignore it.
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The logic of our manager is inexperienced because of the level that he has managed at but someone with no credentials or experience on YouTube knows better absolutely baffles me.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Lol.... You do make me laugh... The article is actually saying exactly the opposite.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c20l7lw3ypzo

"Attacking quickly after a transition - when possession changes hands - is arguably overtaking Guardiola's philosophy at elite level, with emphasis increasingly placed on direct football that runs deliberately in contrast to possession and territory.

While Liverpool have been successful this season with less chaos and more control than they had under Jurgen Klopp, and Tottenham's rapid, linear football has come unstuck with a thin squad, the data is there.

Looking at Premier League statistics over the past eight seasons, since Guardiola's first title in England, we can see a clear trend of increases in high turnovers, pressing - shown by passes per defensive action (PPDA) coming down - plus fast breaks and direct attacks.
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It doesnt actually make sense does it. Because we're not in reality high pressing or direct. We're just ponderous, with a high a line
 
Jurgen the German said:
7 games is a lot. If another manager who you weren’t so fond of managed us and we conceded that many goals you’d think it was a bigger deal. Or put another way, if we conceded 3 goals or more in 7 games per season that is 21 goals. Teams that win the league typically don’t concede more than 35 goals in a season. Now I appreciate we are way off winning the league but that is what we should be aiming for.
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So you were expecting me to respond to something else when you said “we regularly conceded 3 and 4 goals”?
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I'm sure you can find many people to write Postercoglu off, in the past I might have given some credence for something on BBC but as most of the stuff in the established media is sourced from the internet I tend to ignore it.
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Wise man, there is so much brick on the internet reguarding football and yet so many fans seem to take it all in . Sad world.
 
Baleforce said:
He did improve us, it has to be said, I think he was what we needed at the time.
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I despise(d) him so much I cannot see even an ounce of potential rationale. A friend of mine played in his squad and was treated very poorly (which added to my general dislike of the clam).
 
Jurgen the German said:
Ok let me flip the question, what makes you think we won’t have another injury crisis next season given what’s happened both seasons and what happened when Ange was at Celtic? I’m sure it was fine at Celtic when he was 4-0 up against St Mirren at half time and he could afford to take players off after 60 minutes and rotate players more frequently. But he hasn’t shown me he can adapt, manage the squad or reintegrate players into the squad after spells on the sidelines. And that is before you even get into the fact that we are too easy to play against. Even last season with a fully fit back four we regularly conceded 3 and 4 goals.
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It is very, very clear that a lot of work is going on behind the scenes to ensure we manage health and recovery even better.

As for the line highlit above...since we have had a few players return, we have won our three Prem games in that phase, scoring 7 goals and conceding 1. We still have no VdV, Romero, Solanke or Richarlison. Add Davies to the list of semi-regulars missing, and we won't count Werner. He has absolutely adapted as best he could, he has used as many of the squad as you could reasonably expect, and he has integrated very well when given the chance (VdV and Romero have been the two which someone did not).

We have only lost by more than one goal on one occasion in the Prem this season. We are 'mid-table' in goals conceded, with teams like Villa and Brighton having conceded more (City have conceded one goal less). Despite our bricky situation, we remain the team which has scored the second most goals in the Prem behind Liverpool. Ironically, one goal more than Emirates Marketing Project!

I have concluded that people's opinions on Postecoglu are based on personal feelings and are not necessarily statistically supported beyond a similar situation with many other teams.
 
Jurgen the German said:
7 games is a lot. If another manager who you weren’t so fond of managed us and we conceded that many goals you’d think it was a bigger deal. Or put another way, if we conceded 3 goals or more in 7 games per season that is 21 goals. Teams that win the league typically don’t concede more than 35 goals in a season. Now I appreciate we are way off winning the league but that is what we should be aiming for.
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What a presumption! How on earth can you state what people 'make deals' out of or don't? I personally could not give a toss how many we concede in a game as long as we score more! That's my preference. I understand it isn't everybody's but trust me, if we are playing football in the style I personally want to see, I'll take the high concession as long as we get it right at the other end of the pitch!

We haven't win the league since 1961/62.

11 Prem title winners have conceded 35 or more goals.
 
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