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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

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Most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination - Andrew Lang

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parklane1 said:
Stats in football are a tool as you say, i used them on many occasions when i wanted to see things. However they rarely tell the whole story and should be viewed by those using them and especially by those who follow them as no more then that.
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billyiddo said:
The point with Regulion is that he is a body that can be used - you can't point at the minutes some players have played and say there was no other option when there was, same with Solanke/Lankshere. I think the only real backs to the wall no other option available has been Gray when filling in at CB recently.
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I agree you can't say that there were no other options.

I think you can say that there were no other options Ange trusted. Seems pretty obvious that he doesn't trust Reguilon and didn't trust Lankshear.

Can discuss or even disagree if it was right not to trust them... Or trust them that little. Again, he's not the only manager this happens with, and we don't know the reasons behind that.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Agreed.
Also loved him just laughing at Wheelchair in the NLD at Wembley.
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Wheelchair features in my Top 5 too. 3-0 (I think) home victory at The Lane against Bournemouth when he went down injured right in front of us, tried to get back up, collapsed back down, and then had to limp off to a cacophony of jeers and ambulance noises made by the crowd. Utterly brilliant.
 
harr1984 said:
It's been constantly mentioned by those who know their youth football that the likes of Lankshesr and Dorrington are nowhere near ready for PL football. The 'just play the youngsters, they can't do any worse' comments just smack of armchair fans with a short sightedness that don't appreciate the reality of youngsters getting involved at PL level. Ange has played youngsters with the quality and suitable experience. That includes Moore who undoubtedly has the most hype from our youth setup, yet whilst you can see his potential he still looks a way off being truly ready.

Dorrington was thrown on for his debut at Southampton and within a minute had given the ball away and Soton scored, only for it to be luckily disallowed by VAR. It's not as simple as some on here like to think it is, regardless of situation and the long term consequences have to be considered. Hence why there's literally no coaches in the PL playing a load of youth team players with next to no men's football experience, it's not just an Ange thing....
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Great post.

Having spent most of my working life looking after youngsters [ through the FA] and their progress to impress at senior level i think you have got it spot on.
 
Bishop said:
This has become quite the myth. That's keeps being repeated despite it being factually wrong. He played every game for Nuno apart from the final defeat to United. He also played every single game under Mason other than the Emirates Marketing Project match. So the only coach who hasn't played Reggy is actually Conte and that was for obvious reasons. He's not a WB.

Spence could have played earlier, even if just to give some resting time to Porro. It seems very clear to me that he only got the minutes in the end due to injuries, Ange's own recent words corroborate that.
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I stand corrected...and truth be told, when i drill into it he played 20 matches for Conte, only 9 less than for Mourinho. WHich then begs the wider question, why did ne never manage to fully establish himself, and why did we try to get rid of him with three loans? Again, the correction you made on my initial comment is appreciated.
 
Sometimes, you’d be better off starting with 10, than risking the wrong 11, that’s the point.

It’s not just about playing the right people, sometimes you have to not play someone.
 
thfcsteff said:
I stand corrected...and truth be told, when i drill into it he played 20 matches for Conte, only 9 less than for Mourinho. WHich then begs the wider question, why did ne never manage to fully establish himself, and why did we try to get rid of him with three loans? Again, the correction you made on my initial comment is appreciated.
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You saw my post about his injuries right? It's a very significant part of this story in my opinion.
 
Muttley said:
My methodology is based on the following:

Firstly, the human body is under way more trauma in the latter stages of the game versus the start and the middle. We had also established a trend even with a fit squad that Ange makes more subs from winning positions than losing ones. That was completely skewed by 2 of your forwards, Richi and Odo, getting early season injuries. We were chasing games with very tired bodies up front. We also lost Moore for 2 months.

Secondly, we've not really had a midfield crisis as bad as the other 2 main positions all season. Also, our 4 go-to midfielders were out on loan. Devine, Donley, Craig and Abbott. So we didn't really have so much choice in midfield. You could say the same with Phillips perhaps as well. Would he have been useful? Probably, but he's having a great loan experience.

So our options to use younger players at the club probably came down to Lanks, Olusesi and Ajayi in the 2 month period Moore was out. Then all 4 of them after. It could have only have been in the wider channels and up front and it could have only been at the end of games. It would have just been a slightly different strategy to only using a couple of senior subs and leaving them on the bench.

I also don't know enough about Hall yet. I thought he was centre mid in pre-season, but I've seen his name further up the pitch in some U21 line-ups. Has he been used as a striker or wide forward? I know there is a Tye Hall as well so I could be getting confused.
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Sometimes when in a run of physical activity, it is actually the second or third set, or the later stages of a game where the body readjusts and can find the flow (in my admittedly non-professional semi-bunter exercise and footy playing life LOL). You can be hurting and tired from a previous day or two, and those first 10-20 minutes can be hard as you 'creak' into gear; I think it is an interesting discussion for sure as there is no set answer for sure. Personally, I think he's actually done well with the few kids he's has in terms of balance. Yes, Tyrese is a midfielder, lovely on the ball but I have a hunch he will end up being sold.
 
thfcsteff said:
I stand corrected...and truth be told, when i drill into it he played 20 matches for Conte, only 9 less than for Mourinho. WHich then begs the wider question, why did ne never manage to fully establish himself, and why did we try to get rid of him with three loans? Again, the correction you made on my initial comment is appreciated.
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With Mourinho without looking at his games I recall him being a guaranteed starter until he got the groin injury. Then Mou rushed his recovery and played him when he wasn't ready and his form was really poor at that point. I'd argue to an extent that he was mismanaged after a very good start for us and maybe we broke him because he's never looked the same player. Even the injury he had on loan at Athletico was groin related suggesting that he never actually recovered fully.
 
Bishop said:
With Mourinho without looking at his games I recall him being a guaranteed starter until he got the groin injury. Then Mou rushed his recovery and played him when he wasn't ready and his form was really poor at that point. I'd argue to an extent that he was mismanaged after a very good start for us and maybe we broke him because he's never looked the same player. Even the injury he had on loan at Athletico was groin related suggesting that he never actually recovered fully.
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Your Mou memory is spot on, and I have to say, I think your overall overview on him is on the money and absolutely something I had not thought about at all. I love it when discussions on players/tactics/manager/decisions end up teaching us something, in this case I feel I have gained a whole new perspective on Reguillon's career thanks to your observations....I mean, he was excellent when he started!
 
NorwegianSpursFan said:
The problem with Lamela was that he did something like this, then did nothing of note for the next 3/4 games and then being injured for six months.
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He had this knack of never being fit for selection when the others got injured. Not his fault of course, but just always seemed to be that way.

Coco was a massive fan favourite, just not so popular with the guys that wanted to select him. He did run into cul-de-sacs though.
 
Benny_Lad said:
One of our worst ever pieces of business = 20m + Lamela for Brian Gil.
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Gil seems to be sorting himself out at Girona. He's getting some very good ratings.

Another young lad that made the wrong move and then got treated awfully by our club. Like Lamela, seemed to have that character that fans would love.

As for Lamela, left in 2021. Still only managed 40 games in almost 4 seasons since he departed. We had to set him free.
 
El Dante said:
That end one against Ramos. Dembele was a tough warrior in the midfield. And so good with the ball at his feet. What a player.
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I love that end one - Ramos jumping because he knew he was getting what he deserved if he didn't.
(Ramos made a solo career from creating that situation)
 
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