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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

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So who do you want to take over that £100m worth of talent till the end of the season? Sherwood? Hoddle? Blimey, even Martin O'Neill isn't available any more.

Then new permanent manager in next summer (let's see who gets sacked during the world cup). A scramble to bring his own players in in August. Bit of a dead cat bounce for the first half a season but stutter to a 6th place finish, a big summer 2015 of overhauling the squad. Squad doesn't get a chance to settle and winter 2015-16 were back here in exactly the same place again. How many times do we want to do this to ourselves?




AVB has quite a strong disregard for the press (except one or two on the more intellectual wing). He gives them as little as he possibly can.

I agree with you on the logic of the viscous circle thing with regards the manager and needing stability and to build but don't think he's the man to do it ..
 
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Once the event has passed its passed?! That's all that matters, is the event. An event that people witnessed and made judgements on. The impending 'stats' are irrelevant.

What do you think chairmen consider first, the performances or the results?
 
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What do you think chairmen consider first, the performances or the results?

I bet its not reams of stats. I would hope that a chairman would feel one would be a product of the other to be honest, and actually they tend to be, either in a positive or negative context.
 
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What do you think chairmen consider first, the performances or the results?

If the results are poor, then a chairman should consider the performances. If the level of performance is fine, but the results arent coming, then there is every ressonable expectation that the results will turn round in the not too distant future.

However, if the results are poor and the performances are also poor, what reasonable expectation would the board have that the results will improve anytime soon?
 
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Redknapp was whoring himself out to the England job and people where chanting and begging for him to stay, it's disgusting to see the non support that he gets from the majority of us when he's actually trying to improve us. AVB is taking some time to implement his tactics had a few bad losses but remains 100% committed to us. No wonder other teams **** us off as fans when we're this fickle with our manager and can't get behind him.
 
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/29/andre-villas-boas-tromso-fan-sacked-chant-ejected

André Villas-Boas gets Tromso 'sacked in the morning' fan ejected


André Villas-Boas asked for a Tromso supporter who chanted that he would be "sacked in the morning" to be removed from his seat behind the dug-out during Tottenham Hotspur's 2-0 Europa League victory in Norway on Thursday evening.

The Tottenham manager said that he was "immune" to all criticism as the pressure on him mounted in the wake of last Sunday's 6-0 defeat at Emirates Marketing Project.

His position has come under scrutiny at boardroom level, with the City humiliation representing the low point of a difficult period, which has featured home losses to West Ham United and Saudi Sportswashing Machine and a worrying struggle for offensive fluency in the Premier League. He sorely needs a positive result and performance against Manchester United at White Hart Lane on Sunday.

But Villas-Boas snapped during the Tromso tie when he heard Reidar Stenersen Jr taunting him over his job prospects. Stenersen, a 29-year-old hairdresser who supports Manchester United, directed the chant at Villas-Boas in the early stages of the game. When he did it again at half-time and Villas-Boas pointed at him, he found himself removed by security.

Stenersen was told that he could return to watch the second half from the stand on the opposite side of the ground but he declined and retired to the pub.

"I first sung after five minutes that he would be 'sacked in the morning' and he looked at me," Stenersen told the Norwegian newspaper Nordlys. "At the half-time whistle, when it was still 0-0 and I started the same song, he pointed at me and suddenly the security came and threw me out.

"I know he is under a lot of pressure so I think my words hit him, even though I am only a little guy in little Tromso. He was being a bit petulant. This is the same thing that can be sung by 60,000 at the Emirates Stadium or other grounds."

Tromso's head of security, Hans-Thore Hanssen, confirmed that a fan had been moved after Villas-Boas made a complaint to the Uefa inspector. "He was asked to move to the other side," Hanssen said. "I was not there when the incident happened so what he may have shouted, I cannot say.

"But I know that he [Villas-Boas] had spoken to the Uefa inspector who, in turn, spoke to our security. The situation was handled correctly. If there is verbal abuse shouted, the supporter should be spoken to and, in some cases, thrown out. In this type of match, there is greater security."

Another AVB contradiction. Thought he said he was immune to criticism. Or was that only criticism from the press?
 
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Another AVB contradiction. Thought he said he was immune to criticism. Or was that only criticism from the press?

There's always two sides to a story. Why don't you wait to hear Spurs' side of it. I swear, even on here people have been sharpening their knives waiting for a moment of weakness in the man; worse than Journos.
 
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I bet its not reams of stats. I would hope that a chairman would feel one would be a product of the other to be honest, and actually they tend to be, either in a positive or negative context.

Results are not reams of stats.

II can only think of a handful of occasions where a manager has been sacked or let go because of performances or where good results wasn't the main criteria.

Charlton - Went from Curbishley's safety first and mid table finishes to league 1.

Blackburn - enough said.

Abramovich wanted better football and they went through several managers, but only Hiddink could match Mourinho's results. They're a bit of an anomaly anyway as they'll just splash another 100 million if things don't go as planned.

Unless fans stop going to games, which they rarely do when results are good enough, your average chairman only cares about results.

If AVB promises or has agreed on a certain level of results and delivers, Levy ain't lifting a finger.
 
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If the results are poor, then a chairman should consider the performances. If the level of performance is fine, but the results arent coming, then there is every ressonable expectation that the results will turn round in the not too distant future.

However, if the results are poor and the performances are also poor, what reasonable expectation would the board have that the results will improve anytime soon?

Well, our results aren't bad. We're doing better than last season in terms of points.
 
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If the results are poor, then a chairman should consider the performances. If the level of performance is fine, but the results arent coming, then there is every ressonable expectation that the results will turn round in the not too distant future.

However, if the results are poor and the performances are also poor, what reasonable expectation would the board have that the results will improve anytime soon?

You missed out our current position - performances poor, results good.
 
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There's always two sides to a story. Why don't you wait to hear Spurs' side of it. I swear, even on here people have been sharpening their knives waiting for a moment of weakness in the man; worse than Journos.

Unless the guy was being aggressive, abusive or using particularly strong foul language, it smacks of small mindedness to me.
 
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/29/andre-villas-boas-tromso-fan-sacked-chant-ejected

André Villas-Boas gets Tromso 'sacked in the morning' fan ejected


André Villas-Boas asked for a Tromso supporter who chanted that he would be "sacked in the morning" to be removed from his seat behind the dug-out during Tottenham Hotspur's 2-0 Europa League victory in Norway on Thursday evening.

The Tottenham manager said that he was "immune" to all criticism as the pressure on him mounted in the wake of last Sunday's 6-0 defeat at Emirates Marketing Project.

His position has come under scrutiny at boardroom level, with the City humiliation representing the low point of a difficult period, which has featured home losses to West Ham United and Saudi Sportswashing Machine and a worrying struggle for offensive fluency in the Premier League. He sorely needs a positive result and performance against Manchester United at White Hart Lane on Sunday.

But Villas-Boas snapped during the Tromso tie when he heard Reidar Stenersen Jr taunting him over his job prospects. Stenersen, a 29-year-old hairdresser who supports Manchester United, directed the chant at Villas-Boas in the early stages of the game. When he did it again at half-time and Villas-Boas pointed at him, he found himself removed by security.

Stenersen was told that he could return to watch the second half from the stand on the opposite side of the ground but he declined and retired to the pub.

"I first sung after five minutes that he would be 'sacked in the morning' and he looked at me," Stenersen told the Norwegian newspaper Nordlys. "At the half-time whistle, when it was still 0-0 and I started the same song, he pointed at me and suddenly the security came and threw me out.

"I know he is under a lot of pressure so I think my words hit him, even though I am only a little guy in little Tromso. He was being a bit petulant. This is the same thing that can be sung by 60,000 at the Emirates Stadium or other grounds."

Tromso's head of security, Hans-Thore Hanssen, confirmed that a fan had been moved after Villas-Boas made a complaint to the Uefa inspector. "He was asked to move to the other side," Hanssen said. "I was not there when the incident happened so what he may have shouted, I cannot say.

"But I know that he [Villas-Boas] had spoken to the Uefa inspector who, in turn, spoke to our security. The situation was handled correctly. If there is verbal abuse shouted, the supporter should be spoken to and, in some cases, thrown out. In this type of match, there is greater security."

Sounds like the guy Shooter McGavin pays to jeer Happy Gilmore
 
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You missed out our current position - performances poor, results good.

Do you really think the results have been good? Home losses to West Ham and Saudi Sportswashing Machine, defeats away to Arsl and Manshtty, don't seem good results to me.
 
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Unless the guy was being aggressive, abusive or using particularly strong foul language, it smacks of small mindedness to me.

Why do you assume he wasn't?

I'd say it's perfectly natural to assume that's the very least a fan ejected from his seat has been doing.
 
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Do you really think the results have been good? Home losses to West Ham and Saudi Sportswashing Machine, defeats away to Arsl and Manshtty, don't seem good results to me.

We're better off than last year. Project our current results forward and we'd have comfortably finished 4th.
 
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Why do you assume he wasn't?

I'd say it's perfectly natural to assume that's the very least a fan ejected from his seat has been doing.

If so, he should have been ejected from the ground altogether. As it was, he was offered to just move. That would not be the right action.
 
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Sorry, but I don't remember us losing at home to either West Ham or Saudi Sportswashing Machine last year, nor being demolished by Man C.
 
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If so, he should have been ejected from the ground altogether. As it was, he was offered to just move. That would not be the right action.

How do you know he was offered to move?

In fact, how do you know any of this happened at all?

I'll give you a really useful life tip - don't ever, ever, ever believe anything written in the Grauniad. It's written by champagne socialists (all the ones I've ever met support Arsenal) and has a content quality no better than the Sun - it just has a better vocabulary.
 
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We're better off than last year. Project our current results forward and we'd have comfortably finished 4th.

And this is a stat that causes me all sorts of problems. Last season's performance is in no way a guarantee of future success when you paint it like this.

For example, do you expect us to:

Beat Man U away
Beat Liverpool at home
Beat Arsenal at home
Beat City at home

On current performances, I will say very confidently that we won't get those four results.

We lost only 3 league games from this point on last season. I can say very confidently that if we continue with AVB, we'll lose more than that for the remainder of this season. Look at what's happening in front of you. Look at the performances. Don't just rely on stats.
 
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Sorry, but I don't remember us losing at home to either West Ham or Saudi Sportswashing Machine last year, nor being demolished by Man C.

At what point did I claim that happened? I think you're missing the point (again).
 
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