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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

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what's the Dawson farce? wanting to sell him but being convinced over time by the player that he is a useful addition to the squad?

i dunno mate, it strikes me that any time AVB does something which people are actually asking of him they are still finding a way to twist it in to a negative.

The farce (which is what everyone in football called it) of AVB desperately trying to flog Dawson only to be told @@@k you I'm not going anywhere, then admitting he was wrong.

Yes, it's to be commended that he wasn't stubborn, but again it flys in the face that AVB has this clear plan for the future he won't be deviated from!
 
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what's the Dawson farce? wanting to sell him but being convinced over time by the player that he is a useful addition to the squad?

i dunno mate, it strikes me that any time AVB does something which people are actually asking of him they are still finding a way to twist it in to a negative.

I'm probably more on the anti AVB side of the fence but I agree. I seem to remember people saying that it was great he changed his mind about Dawson because it showed he'd learned from his mistakes at Chelsea and wasn't as stubborn anymore.

Happens with every manager though, when Harry took over it was great because he was playing players in their positions and letting them play their natural game. Once we decided we wanted him out he was clueless tactically because he just picked players in their natural positions and let them play their game.
 
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The farce (which is what everyone in football called it) of AVB desperately trying to flog Dawson only to be told @@@k you I'm not going anywhere, then admitting he was wrong.

Yes, it's to be commended that he wasn't stubborn, but again it flys in the face that AVB has this clear plan for the future he won't be deviated from!

but that's a good thing, isn't it?


see this is the problem with complaining about every little thing he does - you end up contradicting yourself when he actually gets something right :p
 
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It's interesting to read the first few pages of this thread now. So many positive comments!
 
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but that's a good thing, isn't it?

Yes i said it was, but it was a stupid mistake to make in the first place. Or was it?

To be honest, I like Dawson, but he isn't suited to the high line, high pressure, possession game AVB favours, he does cost us in this current system against pace and movement. So why didn't AVB either stick to his guns and get rid, or change his style to suit the players at his disposal? Where is this long-term plan? I don't get it!
 
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It's interesting to read the first few pages of this thread now. So many positive comments!

It is, yes! And I was very positive about AVB and excited about him, how things change, eh?
 
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Yes i said it was, but it was a stupid mistake to make in the first place. Or was it?

To be honest, I like Dawson, but he isn't suited to the high line, high pressure, possession game AVB favours, he does cost us in this current system against pace and movement. So why didn't AVB either stick to his guns and get rid, or change his style to suit the players at his disposal? Where is this long-term plan? I don't get it!

i thought last season Dawson played well when he was brought in to the team. iirc he was brought in initially for the 'blood and thunder' type games against Stoke and the like and from there he earned a starting position in the regular XI - although injuries probably helped him. was it you saying that you trust what you see over what you hear/read? i don't remember - i think ive lost count of the posts you've made recently ;) - anyway if it was then perhaps this unshakable rigid long term plan you keep referencing isn't quite what you've heard/read and you should trust your eyes a bit more, in this instance
 
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but that's a good thing, isn't it?


see this is the problem with complaining about every little thing he does - you end up contradicting yourself when he actually gets something right :p

No, you are being inconsistent Billy. Do you think AVB has a clear plan and style and has bought players in to fulfill this plan? Or is he clueless and changes his mind on tactics, style and the players usefulness to play in his original system? Which is it for Ade and Dawson?
 
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No, you are being inconsistent Billy. Do you think AVB has a clear plan and style and has bought players in to fulfill this plan? Or is he clueless and changes his mind on tactics, style and the players usefulness to play in his original system? Which is it for Ade and Dawson?

where am i being inconsistent :~
 
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Here we go:


André Villas-Boas on brink of losing Tottenham Hotspur job


David Hytner
The Guardian, Tuesday 26 November 2013 17.30 EST

André Villas-Boas is clinging to his job at Tottenham Hotspur after Sunday's 6-0 hammering at Emirates Marketing Project prompted the north London club's hierarchy to question whether he remains the manager to establish them in the Premier League's top four.

The Portuguese was cut to evens by bookmakers on Tuesday to be the league's next managerial casualty, with the City result being considered not as an isolated blot but as the most worrying sign of a malaise.

Villas-Boas, who takes his team to Tromso for a Europa League match on Thursday, desperately needs a good result at home to Manchester United on Sunday as he battles a clutch of problems. Those include the perception inside the club that he has sought to blame everybody bar himself for the recent difficulties, from the White Hart Lane crowd and the Tottenham medics to members of the first-team squad. Villas-Boas said that the City loss ought to have provoked shame in the players, which went down badly in the dressing room.

The embarrassment at the Etihad Stadium was keenly felt by the club's chairman, Daniel Levy, and the owner, Joe Lewis, who had initially been angry after the 3-0 home defeat by West Ham United on 6 October and Villas-Boas's hard-luck-story when he read of the defeat.

There had been disappointment at the early-season loss at Arsenal and, the weekend before West Ham, the manner in which Chelsea had reeled Tottenham in to earn a 1-1 draw at White Hart Lane. But West Ham represented the beginning of what has become an intense examination of Villas-Boas's suitability to fulfil Tottenham's ambitions.

The club did not sanction a summer outlay of £110.5m on seven players (including three club-record fees) for a team that would lose at home to West Ham. And, if the ultimate measure of a man is where he stands at times of challenge and controversy, then Tottenham feel Villas-Boas has not distinguished himself.

He took the bold, and possibly foolish, decision after the 1-0 win over Hull City on 27 October to chide the White Hart Lane crowd for how they had created a "very tense, difficult atmosphere". Villas-Boas said it was "like it drags the ball into our goal, instead of the opponent's goal", and added that "this is something that is felt within the squad. It's a feeling that invades us in fixtures like this".

The Tottenham fans are no different to any other London crowd in that they grumble when things are not great and they have only reacted to the football they have seen from their team, which has been cloaked in caution. Spurs have scored nine league goals in 12 matches this season (three of them penalties) and it is not only the supporters, who demand an exciting style, who have become frustrated.

The board has not enjoyed many home matches this season and some of the players have wanted to see Villas-Boas switch from his preferred 4-2-3-1 formation to play with two strikers. Villas-Boas orders his wide midfielders to work hard defensively and so the team have often struggled to commit men in front of the ball.

Villas-Boas reacted surprisingly to the Hugo Lloris controversy, after the goalkeeper had suffered a head injury in the 0-0 draw at Everton on 3 November and played on. When Tottenham's medical staff said that Lloris was unfit to play in the home defeat to Saudi Sportswashing Machine a week later, Villas-Boas made it clear that this was their decision rather than his, saying that Lloris had been "clinically and medically" ready to play.

He called for the club to present a member of the medical department before the press to offer a full explanation, which did not happen, and the effect was to make Villas-Boas look isolated and at odds with the doctors.

His comments after the City defeat were badly received in the dressing room and it reinforced the impression that Villas-Boas might be happy to talk up the collective when results are good but he will revert to blaming others in times of adversity.

The criticism from the dressing room is that his highly scientific approach overlooks the human dimension, which is ironic, given that is one of his buzz phrases. The players, technically, ought to have been ashamed after City but, on a human level, would that soundbite not have been better kept behind closed doors? Other managers might have accepted the blame in public, albeit as a diversionary tactic.

Villas-Boas has struggled to manage the transition since the sale of Gareth Bale and the influx, for a second successive summer, of a host of new faces. Some of the existing players have been bumped down the pecking order, which has led to gripes.

Mousa Dembélé, for example, is no longer a first choice after the arrival of Paulinho and Christian Eriksen; Sandro fears that he is behind Etienne Capoue, albeit the Frenchman has been injured and with no left-back having been signed to replace Benoît Assou-Ekotto (on loan at Queens Park Rangers), whose face did not fit, Jan Vertonghen, arguably the club's best centre-half, has been forced to deputise in the position.

Most alarmingly, Villas-Boas has struggled to get the best from the new signings, particularly Erik Lamela who, at nearly £30m from Roma, is the most expensive in Tottenham's history. Given his difficulty in adapting, it was a surprise that Villas-Boas introduced him for his full league debut at City.

Roberto Soldado, the £26m striker from Valencia, has sometimes looked isolated and his impact was always likely to be measured in numbers. He has four league goals, three of them penalties, plus two more in the Europa League qualifier against Dinamo Tbilisi. The hope remains that the new signings will show their true colours once they have acclimatised. The process was never likely to be easy.

Villas-Boas intimated that he turned down Real Madrid and Paris St-Germain over the summer to stay loyal to Spurs and begin a second season at the same club for the first time in his short managerial career. He remains only eight points off the title pace in a congested division but he must urgently address the damaging momentum.
 
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My dutch mate is a massive Ajax fan and reckons AVB should be making a team that plays to Eriksens strengths. I still think AVB can recover something from this but first things first, he must play a balanced first 11 from now on with players in their best positions and stick with them. He has been slightly hamstrung by the number of signings he has as they all need game time. Maybe if he had less options he would be forced to focus on an 11 and get the players playing instead of switching players around every game.
 
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So you are happy with the defence? Really? Even taking out the so called blip against City, we still only have a GD of 3.

We are so susceptible to the diagonal ball on the counter. Everton and Chelsea both worked this out in the second half. Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Hull and West Ham did. We conceded three at home to West Ham, got beat by Saudi Sportswashing Machine and only poor finishing by Hull prevented another defeat. Even the pub side Sherrif opened us up time and time again, both home and away, and only some dubious offside decisions, poor finishing and good saves kept us in those games.

We have only one left back, who is currently injured leaving us totally unbalanced. We either play right footers there (naughton) or play our best central defender there ( against his will) thereby destabilising the whole back four.

The amount of times we have had to rely on Lloris heroically charging off his line to save us with a last ditch desperation save (Arsnl anyone) doesn't bear thinking about.

Finally, have we kept a clean sheet against any of our main rivals for the top four? No. Asnl lost 0-1, Chelsea drew 1-1and City, lost 0-6.

Oh yes, I would say our defence is well sorted.

What's your point here? If we didn't have a good defensive record our GD would have been worse.

The whole point of a GK is to be the last resort when all else has failed. Having a good one who does his job well (City aside) is bad?

Some other results involving top half teams:

Everton 3-3 Liverpool
Emirates Marketing Project 4-1 Man Utd
Everton 0-0 Tottenham
Arsenal 1-3 Aston Villa
Cardiff 3-2 Emirates Marketing Project
Cardiff 2-2 Man Utd
Cardiff 0-1 Tottenham
 
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where am i being inconsistent :~

Are you saying AVB has a clear, consistent and well defined plan and has bought players to execute that plan? Or is he pragmatic and continuously changes formations, tactics and players?
 
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Players were unhappy according to the press as soon as AVB came in and were only happy after the media were (after the Man UTD win). If we start hearing that senior players have been to see Levy then we know we are in the ****. The journo is right though, Vertonghen is our best defender and shouldn't be out there because AVB has fallen out with Benny.
 
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i thought last season Dawson played well when he was brought in to the team. iirc he was brought in initially for the 'blood and thunder' type games against Stoke and the like and from there he earned a starting position in the regular XI - although injuries probably helped him. was it you saying that you trust what you see over what you hear/read? i don't remember - i think ive lost count of the posts you've made recently ;) - anyway if it was then perhaps this unshakable rigid long term plan you keep referencing isn't quite what you've heard/read and you should trust your eyes a bit more, in this instance

Exactly my point! There isn't a long-term plan! AVB is currently trying desperately to survive game by game.

I think if anything the Chelsea experience has shaken him too much to allow him to think clearly under pressure. If I was him I'd have got rid, because Dawson didn't suit the system and still doesn't. He didn't, possibly mindful of the Terry situation at Chelsea, but like Terry, Daws is the weak point in any high line game. He's also the weak point in a possession game.

You either get rid or you drop the high-line for me! At the moment AVB seems caught between implementing whatever system and style he wants to bring in and desperately trying to curry favour from the fans , media and players
 
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No, you are being inconsistent Billy. Do you think AVB has a clear plan and style and has bought players in to fulfill this plan? Or is he clueless and changes his mind on tactics, style and the players usefulness to play in his original system? Which is it for Ade and Dawson?

The overall plan hasn't changed. Maybe tweaked a little, but every team make changes depending on who the opposition is.

Selecting players that show form, dropping those who don't, not persisting with his "favorites", able to change his mind when evidence suggests he should. I thought those were good traits in a manager. AVB doesn't have a perfect track record (who does? ), but he does all those things.
 
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but that's a good thing, isn't it?


see this is the problem with complaining about every little thing he does - you end up contradicting yourself when he actually gets something right :p

I agree with NWND that the Dawson saga was perfection. I said so at the time. New manager comes in and after 5 minutes of being at the club, installs Dawson as club captain, then before watching him play a competitive game decides he had better options in a past it Gallas, an inexperienced Caulker, injury prone Kaboul and a Belgian who had not kicked a ball in the PL. Only for Dawson to decide he wasn't going and AVB to realise those options were not as good as he thought. Whatever you think of Dawson that whole thing smacked of inexperience imo. BTW since that decision he has sold both Gallas and Caulker and Kaboul has had long term injuries.
 
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Exactly my point! There isn't a long-term plan! AVB is currently trying desperately to survive game by game.

I think if anything the Chelsea experience has shaken him too much to allow him to think clearly under pressure. If I was him I'd have got rid, because Dawson didn't suit the system and still doesn't. He didn't, possibly mindful of the Terry situation at Chelsea, but like Terry, Daws is the weak point in any high line game. He's also the weak point in a possession game.

You either get rid or you drop the high-line for me! At the moment AVB seems caught between implementing whatever system and style he wants to bring in and desperately trying to curry favour from the fans , media and players

How do you or anyone else know?
 
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What's your point here? If we didn't have a good defensive record our GD would have been worse.

The whole point of a GK is to be the last resort when all else has failed. Having a good one who does his job well (City aside) is bad?

Some other results involving top half teams:

Everton 3-3 Liverpool
Emirates Marketing Project 4-1 Man Utd
Everton 0-0 Tottenham
Arsenal 1-3 Aston Villa
Cardiff 3-2 Emirates Marketing Project
Cardiff 2-2 Man Utd
Cardiff 0-1 Tottenham

Even Harry has said it is relatively easy to set up a team not to get beat. To play sooo defensively, particularly at home, of course has an impact on your goals for column.

Lloris is used as a sweeper- keeper yes, but there is a distinct difference between this role and relying on this as a last ditch form of defence as a defensive tactic. It's like relying on the offside trap to work every time.

To me, our defence looks fragile to say the least and the Emirates Marketing Project attack showed it up. It was not a blip, but a scoreline waiting to happen (unfortunately). Kaboul and Dawson are not an ideal centre back pairing and Verts has already said in the past he doesn't like playing left back against fast, skillful wingers. So what did we do?

What are those other score lines supposed to prove?
 
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Even Harry has said it is relatively easy to set up a team not to get beat. To play sooo defensively, particularly at home, of course has an impact on your goals for column.

Lloris is used as a sweeper- keeper yes, but there is a distinct difference between this role and relying on this as a last ditch form of defence as a defensive tactic. It's like relying on the offside trap to work every time.

To me, our defence looks fragile to say the least and the Emirates Marketing Project attack showed it up. It was not a blip, but a scoreline waiting to happen (unfortunately). Kaboul and Dawson are not an ideal centre back pairing and Verts has already said in the past he doesn't like playing left back against fast, skillful wingers. So what did we do?

What are those other score lines supposed to prove?

That every defense has off-days.
 
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