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American politics

monkeybarry said:
I actually think that's a really good bill.
There is a propensity to over prescribe meds in some US areas.

The policy statement is good. Especially points B&C.
The concern, however, is that the answers will be very uncomfortable for American businesses and people, because the answer is lower ultra processed foods, fast foods and abundance of medication.
Those are significant pillars of US commerce.

The UK has the opposite issue - GPs are less likely to prescribe meds and focus on other treatments first, treatments that are understaffed and underfunded.
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I think the idea of making a country more healthy, less dependant on meds, learning to cook and looking deeper into the link between over medication and poor social care.

My issue with this department is the wider separation of policy and science which they seem on course from. If they start listening to JFK Jnrs "lets all drink blue dye" over "science is a lie" then they are in massive trouble.

I mean we are suffering slightly in the UK from the whole anti vaccine rhetoric thats now cast doubt on vaccines that have done alot of historical good
 
monkeybarry said:
I actually think that's a really good bill.
There is a propensity to over prescribe meds in some US areas.

The policy statement is good. Especially points B&C.
The concern, however, is that the answers will be very uncomfortable for American businesses and people, because the answer is lower ultra processed foods, fast foods and abundance of medication.
Those are significant pillars of US commerce.

The UK has the opposite issue - GPs are less likely to prescribe meds and focus on other treatments first, treatments that are understaffed and underfunded.
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Interesting. I was 39 when I first got on meds. I probs should have been on them earlier. My UK perspective that is. I'll have to consider the above. Thanks
 
monkeybarry said:
I actually think that's a really good bill.
There is a propensity to over prescribe meds in some US areas.

The policy statement is good. Especially points B&C.
The concern, however, is that the answers will be very uncomfortable for American businesses and people, because the answer is lower ultra processed foods, fast foods and abundance of medication.
Those are significant pillars of US commerce.

The UK has the opposite issue - GPs are less likely to prescribe meds and focus on other treatments first, treatments that are understaffed and underfunded.
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Kennedy is UNQUALIFIED! He knows as much about health as the geezer in our local coffee shop! He spoiuts conspiracy theories without basis and he promotes ignorance. Do not be fooled, he and his have NO interest in promoting holistic health or educating people -with support- as to how to augment their lives in a healthier fashion. He spouts this brick but has NO intention of standing behind it, or funding any sort of health education. His fudging boss SHOVES MACCY Ds in his face every 5 minutes! Also bear in mind that well over half the depts he wants to address will now by run by Matey McMatey who previously stocked shelves at ASDA and Bertie McBerto who run a great late kebab joint in downtown Pittsburgh. Nah mate, this is a disaster!

This bloke is a fudging patsy.

(apologies if I seem a bit shouty here, not personal whatsoever I just think this bloke is genuinely a nutty buffoon...)
 
Grays_1890 said:
I think the idea of making a country more healthy, less dependant on meds, learning to cook and looking deeper into the link between over medication and poor social care.

My issue with this department is the wider separation of policy and science which they seem on course from. If they start listening to JFK Jnrs "lets all drink blue dye" over "science is a lie" then they are in massive trouble.

I mean we are suffering slightly in the UK from the whole anti vaccine rhetoric thats now cast doubt on vaccines that have done alot of historical good
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he is a trumper and absolutely none of that will happen. What he will empower are gvmt paymasters and conspiracy theorists IMO
 
thfcsteff said:
Kennedy is UNQUALIFIED! He knows as much about health as the geezer in our local coffee shop!
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Isn't that how politics work?

Our Chancellor knows nothing at all about running an economy. Wes Streeting is a career politician.

If you took your best medical professionals to run the Health Ministry, you'd lose a good medical professional from the industry whilst gaining a thoroughly inexperienced cabinet member.
 
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scaramanga said:
Isn't that how politics work?

Our Chancellor known nothing at all about running an economy. Wes Streeting is a career politician.

If you took your best medical professionals to run the Health Ministry, you'd lose a good medical professional from the industry whilst gaining a thoroughly inexperienced cabinet member.
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It is certainly how the last government worked.
 
scaramanga said:
Don't pretend that's not how this one is "working" too.

Not only are they not experts in their fields but they've spent so long out of power, they're brick at being a political party too.
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Oh, I think they are a tragic excuse for a government too, but they haven't descended to the depths of the last one by a long shot. The current Labour government are no different than a conservative one before the rot took hold. You should love them but your tory zealotry blinds you to this fact. To admit it would be apostasy. The Torys have all but destroyed the UK and you are still flailing around for spacegoats rather than the obvious one.
I presume you will vote for Oswald Farage the next time out.
 
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scaramanga said:
Isn't that how politics work?

Our Chancellor known nothing at all about running an economy. Wes Streeting is a career politician.

If you took your best medical professionals to run the Health Ministry, you'd lose a good medical professional from the industry whilst gaining a thoroughly inexperienced cabinet member.
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I know you find great satisfaction in such trite observations, but in this case, come back to me when you've actually even partially assessed the gap between Kennedy and the responsibilities he now holds as part of government. I mean, at least try to understand the issue here. Then if you continue to fail, well, you did your best...
 
Rorschach said:
Oh, I think they are a tragic excuse for a government too, but they haven't descended to the depths of the last one by a long shot. The current Labour government are no different than a conservative one before the rot took hold. You should love them but your tory zealotry blinds you to this fact. To admit it would be apostasy. The Torys have all but destroyed the UK and you are still flailing around for spacegoats rather than the obvious one.
I presume you will vote for Oswald Farage the next time out.
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I think the last lot were terrible too. I've spent plenty of time here complaining about how they were the polar opposite of a conservative government.
 
thfcsteff said:
I know you find great satisfaction in such trite observations, but in this case, come back to me when you've actually even partially assessed the gap between Kennedy and the responsibilities he now holds as part of government. I mean, at least try to understand the issue here. Then if you continue to fail, well, you did your best...
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I see you and I raise you Angela Rayner - the woman who probably doesn't even need to take off both shoes to count up to her IQ.
 
Not having experts in SME positions is always gonna be bad. A health secretary should be a medical doctor imo. A chancellor should be a real economist. Also they need to have been good at the jobs too. We now have a bunch of overpaid project managers who outsource all their work really really badly.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Not having experts in SME positions is always gonna be bad. A health secretary should be a medical doctor imo. A chancellor should be a real economist. Also they need to have been good at the jobs too. We now have a bunch of overpaid project managers who outsource all their work really really badly.
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Absolutely not.
A secretary of state needs to understand and be able within the wider political and economic context.
They need to have some understanding of their department - but their job is essentially facilitation for the depts needs whilst balancing the electorates mandate and operating within the financial and political climate.
The experts in the fields that you mention must be involved in the conversations and advising on setting direction, but they are nowhere near being the right people to make the decisions.- they'd all want endless money and resources. A cabinet of government ministers have to operate within their brief and across their cabinet.
 
monkeybarry said:
Absolutely not.
A secretary of state needs to understand and be able within the wider political and economic context.
They need to have some understanding of their department - but their job is essentially facilitation for the depts needs whilst balancing the electorates mandate and operating within the financial and political climate.
The experts in the fields that you mention must be involved in the conversations and advising on setting direction, but they are nowhere near being the right people to make the decisions.- they'd all want endless money and resources. A cabinet of government ministers have to operate within their brief and across their cabinet.
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In my world I've found the best product owners/programme managers, always have a clear understanding the as is and to be. Both functionally and technically. I find this approach to any work is the best.

The thing I feel strongly is to find the best people with the best expertise and the best skills at leading too. I mean there is one role. Get the best.

We just vote in average people way too often.

And this comes to my biggest bother with politicians. How are so many of them so bang average.
 
LutonSpurs said:
In my world I've found the best product owners/programme managers, always have a clear understanding the as is and to be. Both functionally and technically. I find this approach to any work is the best.

The thing I feel strongly is to find the best people with the best expertise and the best skills at leading too. I mean there is one role. Get the best.

We just vote in average people way too often.

And this comes to my biggest bother with politicians. How are so many of them so bang average.
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Your solution is the same as Elon Musk's.
I'll stick with democracy instead of corporate authoritarianism, thanks.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I'm asking for elected people to be in those positions. How is it the same?
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To be fair, you are one step away - at least you have the pretence of an open election in your model, albeit a select and restricted profile of person rather than "any commoner".

Either way, it's the antithesis of UK democracy and a step backwards from all the freedoms fought for from Magna Carta onwards
 
I saw an interesting conspiracy theory developing on the interweb yesterday. The person was asking a fairly obvious question, and that is why has Trump more or less ceded power to Musk? And it is a good question. Afterall they are both egomaniacal narcissists but trump would never just step back at let Musk lead like he has to. So the conclusion was that Musk has somevpretty serious as kompromat and they think it was that the election was hacked. The deal was to get Trump in and so he would avoid prison but Musk would make the big decisions, as he has been doing
 
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Rorschach said:
I saw an interesting conspiracy theory developing on the interweb yesterday. The person was asking a fairly obvious question, and that is why has Trump more or less ceded power to Musk? And it is a good question. Afterall they are both egomaniacal narcissists but trump would never just step back at let Musk lead like he has to. So the conclusion was that Musk has something pretty serious as kompromat and they think it was that the election was hacked. The deal was to get Trump in and so he would avoid prison but Musk would make the big decisions, as he has been doing
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I’d reckon that’s gonads myself. By this time next year (at the latest) they’ll be at each other’s throats is my bet.
 
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