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Iliman Ndiaye

SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I don’t blame him whatsoever although I do think we need to find him a move, he just does not look right in a De Zerbi system. He’s a non entity and the ball doesn’t stick. So I agree with him doing right by himself but we can’t be relying upon him at all this season I would think.
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He didn't look right in any system. 🤣

I don't blame him of course. He's completely entitled to choose the direction of his career. I'm just frustrated because I thought we were free Of him. 🤣
 
BigChiv9 said:
Comment on Reddit is that Richarlison wanted his ‘loyalty payment’ due for 26/7. Spurs refused to pay it and so did Everton. Suggested that the selling club usually pays it (I have no idea) so the deal went south over about £2 million
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fudge me I would have paid that. fudge it can I pay it now? 🤣🤣🤣
 
Bishop said:
He didn't look right in any system. 🤣

I don't blame him of course. He's completely entitled to choose the direction of his career. I'm just frustrated because I thought we were free Of him. 🤣
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I think he looks pretty good as a physical left winger to provide knock downs and off ball running, or as a poacher who purely has to finish moves and typically with one touch. I think De Zerbi needs proper dribbling on the wing and proper hold up play in the middle, and he just can’t do it. Incredible how often he manages to make the wrong decision when he has the ball in the middle of the pitch. Or not control it at all.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I suspect them trying to leverage him to deal with the lad coming the other way that its 6 of one and all that
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Yep that’s the way I see it too. A while ago RDZ implied that Richy kept changing is mind on whether he want to leave or not (that wouldn’t surprise me at all). I think when the Ndaiye opportunity came up we tried to make Richy’s mind up for him. Perhaps without arguments over bonuses the deals would have been done sooner but I think it’s more likely that Ndaiye’s agent knew all about City’s interest and was likely to hang on just in case anyway
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
This is just a consequence of actually going for your true top targets.

We wanted Gakpo. We needed Liverpool to find a replacement. He decided he wanted City, so we moved for Ndiaye. Gakpo stays. Our move gets fudged. We should have course have gone straight for Ndiaye. But it would have meant not shooting for the top target and also not accounting for what Richy wanted to do.
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I didn’t really understand Ndiaye as an alternative to Gakpo. Ndiaye just seemed another Savior/Kudus type player to me.

Mudryk would seem to me to be more like Gakpo (though I appreciate it’s a long while since we’ve seen him). On loan I see no risk here, I’d expect after a couple of years out he’ll be desperate to buckle down, work hard and try to impress.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I didn’t really understand Ndiaye as an alternative to Gakpo. Ndiaye just seemed another Savior/Kudus type player to me.

Mudryk would seem to me to be more like Gakpo (though I appreciate it’s a long while since we’ve seen him). On loan I see no risk here, I’d expect after a couple of years out he’ll be desperate to buckle down, work hard and try to impress.
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Yeah maybe the Gakpo thing was additional cover up front, but otherwise it’s about signing people that can actually beat their man on the wing.

Maybe Mudryk succeeded well in an RDZ system because he had to do one thing really well, which was beat his man with pace and deliver it into the areas that the structure opens up. And maybe we struggled outside of that if he had a bit more freedom?

Injury aside I can see Odobert not having a role with us for that reason. He’s actually quite a smart footballer IMO, great with link up, strong decision making, positions he takes up. But he’s less of an incredible 1v1 specialist. And overall I can see De Zerbi saying that whatever happens, he needs people that can dribble excellently out wide. Luckily we have Savio and Kudus now available. But he clearly wasn’t willing to only have Tel as an option until January.

Side note but I hope Tel puts it together. I think he has it. And maybe once the window closes he will calm himself. He was too on edge against Saudi Sportswashing Machine.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I didn’t really understand Ndiaye as an alternative to Gakpo. Ndiaye just seemed another Savior/Kudus type player to me.

Mudryk would seem to me to be more like Gakpo (though I appreciate it’s a long while since we’ve seen him). On loan I see no risk here, I’d expect after a couple of years out he’ll be desperate to buckle down, work hard and try to impress.
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The risk is surely that he will be even worse than Tel so we will have no decent alternatives to Savio (unproven) and Kudus (unfit). RDZ expects his wingers to contribute 12 goals a season!
 
Ace Face said:
Ndiaye has 6 goals and 3 assists in 32 PL games last season.

Is losing out on this output worth throwing toys out of a pram for?
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The bigger issue is we dont have anyone with any goals so far and we’re not exactly staring players with a well know goal return … Marmoushs career has been less than 1 in 3 as he is the new striker (I really like him but think he would shine of a striker)
 
BigChiv9 said:
Comment on Reddit is that Richarlison wanted his ‘loyalty payment’ due for 26/7. Spurs refused to pay it and so did Everton. Suggested that the selling club usually pays it (I have no idea) so the deal went south over about £2 million
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Interesting...has to be more to it than that???
 
Finney Is Back said:
I didn’t really understand Ndiaye as an alternative to Gakpo. Ndiaye just seemed another Savior/Kudus type player to me.

Mudryk would seem to me to be more like Gakpo (though I appreciate it’s a long while since we’ve seen him). On loan I see no risk here, I’d expect after a couple of years out he’ll be desperate to buckle down, work hard and try to impress.
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Absolutely. I think some folks are upset solely by the optics (and banter which will come). I refuse to believe anyone would be giving him a chance if he didn't still have elite qualities. Poor old Dele posts videos of himself training all the time, yet no-one wants to take the gamble. What we see is only ever half the story. Same with Tosin. My friend today got upset and said he was just 'brick' which is plainly not true. Noobody knows why some players don't do well at some clubs, and I'd say Chelsea is an absolute crapshoot. Certainly the likes of Sarah, DeBryunne, Jackson, Ake, Cuadadro, Tomori would all agree.

We've spent a grand total of 5 million on two players who satisfy what the manager wants, and take care of potential shortfalls the manager feels needed addressing.

FWIW, I am still not counting out a last-minute surprise either. Our net spend so far has been around 168 million quid. Decent money but not anywhere close to the outrageous looking gross spend being quoted.
 
BigChiv9 said:
Comment on Reddit is that Richarlison wanted his ‘loyalty payment’ due for 26/7. Spurs refused to pay it and so did Everton. Suggested that the selling club usually pays it (I have no idea) so the deal went south over about £2 million
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I'm starting a Go Fund Me if anyone is interested...
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The bigger issue is we dont have anyone with any goals so far and we’re not exactly staring players with a well know goal return … Marmoushs career has been less than 1 in 3 as he is the new striker (I really like him but think he would shine of a striker)
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Would Ndiaye have provided those goals though? His record implies not.

The CF situation is not just laying at our doorstep. When two of the top European teams are both desperate for a CF you know there is slim pickings all around. If we'd kept Lankshear till now we could probably have tripled his transfer fee!
 
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