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Roberto De Zerbi *OFFICIAL*

Silly McSilly Face said:
Look right. I've been thinking about this. And it could all go horribly wrong. It may not go horribly wrong but simply be too late in this season, BUT....appreciating that some have an issue with who they perceive him to be.....I can't think of a coach that i personally feel bought into in terms of fit with the club since, well, Poch. The passion, the DARE, the risk taking, the football, the top level experience, the siege mentality, the f*ck you, but also the brotherhood....while it may seem unsavoury to some the fact he took time to relate to a troubled person and see if there was something he could reignite....you know, that is what this squad needs. Its what we fans need. Its what the club needs. Someone to take us with them on a journey (hopefully not to Blackburn Rovers away)...
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I certainly appreciate your perspective, and you say some very accurate things... and (by proxy) am forced to adhere to it because he is our manager. Like Frank, I find myself having to accept a manager I don't think is a long-term hit for the club, but at the same time he is managing my club so he will get my support by that proxy. One thing; I am not sure what he is 'buying into' with us because I do not know what 'us' Lange and Vinai have been touting around these days. I look forward to seeing, and hope it alligns with what we all want...
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
This is the thing. Dynasty managers are rare. A lot of clubs are successful because they bin the manager off at the first signs of things getting stale. And the real successful dynasty managers are the ones that not only identify the radical changes necessary to stay at the top, but get the backing from their club to do just that. Fergie at Man Utd the classic example. He probably built at least 3 completely different squads in his time there. He got rid of players like Stam, Van Nistelrooy and Beckham when you would be thinking "you're mad" but he probably saw "they've lost that 5-10% here, they are in the comfort zone".

My biggest sadness following Spurs is we had that. Poch identified that players like Alli, Eriksen etc were mentally burning out and needed selling/replacing.....we never backed him....
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It absolutely broke me. We have never been the same. We stared the gift-horse in the mouth and walked away when the gift horse wanted to keep on giving.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Re. the supporter trust, have they never backed someone who made a mistake? The divisive nature of football fans seems limitless.
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Well, tis an opinions-based passion.
I think what elevates the division are not the differences of opinion, but when people cannot simply agree to disagree and move on. I am sure I've been guilty of that at times, I have also seen it from the other perspective, and it happened all the time last season.
 
I don't have a particularly strong view on RDZs appointment.

But one thing struck me - there is lots of talk about how he likes lots of control and that that will be clash with Tottenham at upper levels..... that's the past; that's Levy's Tottenham.
Perhaps the current lot are happy to have a manager that will lead and develop a club identity?
Time will tell.
 
monkeybarry said:
I don't have a particularly strong view on RDZs appointment.

But one thing struck me - there is lots of talk about how he likes lots of control and that that will be clash with Tottenham at upper levels..... that's the past; that's Levy's Tottenham.
Perhaps the current lot are happy to have a manager that will lead and develop a club identity?
Time will tell.
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I think it is why (whether people agree or not) crystal clarity has to be established from the first word. Because if what you say turns out to be true, then it is a massive, massive gamble.
FWIW I am not sure the Lewis family, let alone tweedledum and tweedledee, have any concept of what our identity is or ever was?
 
thfcsteff said:
I think it is why (whether people agree or not) crystal clarity has to be established from the first word. Because if what you say turns out to be true, then it is a massive, massive gamble.
FWIW I am not sure the Lewis family, let alone tweedledum and tweedledee, have any concept of what our identity is or ever was?
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It's a massive gamble, no question, but as a football manager he is the right level, and regardless of the cash thrown at him, he (in his mind) isn't coming here to get relegated.

The piece I find interesting is I think RDZ got them over a barrel, everyone is talking about the salary, the avoid relegation bonus, the 5 yr contract. I can't see anyway he took the gig without some guarantees on summer transfers, spend and input.
 
De zerbi should have been the one after Postecoglu. Lange admitted they failed to get him then. He is hot headed and demanding, just what we need to whack the players into a team.

Quite sure ee zerbi got all he wanted in the 5 year deal, good for him...and an end to player power in the dressing room, world cup winner or not.
 
How can we get rid of those clowns that are in charge of this club?
All of them need to be replaced by people that have a clue, have a vision and a fudging PLAN, and fudging stick to that plan, not change it every 10 minutes!
 
Ace Face said:
Yep. They are generally very positive on his time there.

Outside of the Greenwood issue, I don’t see any footballing reasons to not be excited about his appointment.
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Really? What's the plan then, long term? You ain't building a steady foundation with De Zerbi. When he self combust in 6-18 months, what's the plan then? Another reactionary appointment and start all over again?
 
Ignoring his handling of Greenwood I think he's a fine appointment.

I don't see how he's good enough to warrant top money on a 5 year deal, but guess that's the desperation of the situation. But years is not the perspective right now anyway, just need to stay up.
 
I don't know why people are so upset about the contract length. Nobody thinks he'll be there in 2031 - it's all about the next seven games. If he keeps us up and, as a bonus, gets us to a respectable mid-table position when he (inevitably) implodes, it will be money well-spent. If he doesn't, he will probably get better offers anyway.

Having said that, the problems we had before remain. No creativity, shattered morale and huge question marks over the players' fitness level. Tudor tried to address the fitness issue but stepping in seven games from the end of the season is a challenge for anyone. He'll have a tough time implementing a sophisticated game plan at this stage (and we wasted 10 days before appointing him).

Getting us on a good run would be an impressive achievement.
 
Well, here we are, then.
De Zerbi is here, and we all have to deal with it one way or the other.

Initially I felt a bit like I had been out on a booze-up, pulled the ugliest chick available and had to parade her past all my laughing and mocking mates on a hour-long tube-ride to get home and fulfill the act, sort of a pre-action walk of shame. You know the shag has to be epic to warrant this shame.

So the football has to be epic!
Hope is in the silver lining. The football has the potential to be epic.

The club and RdZ would do well to put the Greenwood-issue at rest at the very first opertunity, if at all possible. Firstly, get a statement out on the first presser, and close the matter.
Secondly, play (even) better football, and thirdly, win a friggin' game. Any game!
Wish we had time to arrange a impromptu testimonial match for someone against old legends (preferrably dead ones), just to get a victory under our belt.

That should bring about some breathing space in all aspects. Do expect this beast to try to rise it's head whenever things are tough, though. It is and will forever be an easy "attack vector" for lazy journalists with less-than-cordial-spurs-agendas.
 
Shame he didn't say no comment when asked about Greenwood , as far as I can see he was talking about him as a footballer and not his private life, have to see what he says about it in his pre Sunderland press conference .

As far as is long term contract is concerned it was reported that he left both Brighton and Marseille by mutual consent so if he does the same at Spurs we won't be paying up to the end of his contract like we did with N'Dombele until we managed to get him gone.
 
SirPercyHotspur said:
Shame he didn't say no comment when asked about Greenwood , as far as I can see he was talking about him as a footballer and not his private life, have to see what he says about it in his pre Sunderland press conference .
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He was asked how MG was doing off the pitch and whilst RDZ did say he does not interfere in/talk about people's private lives, he did go on to say that he felt sad for what had happened and that MG had paid a high price for it - which was kind of commenting on MG's private life. He would have been better off sticking with the no comment on private matters and talking instead about helping MG settle into the team etc. The Marseilles PR team ought to have briefed him better ahead of the press conference. I hope our PR team manage to do so.

I don't know anything about RDZ outside of football so I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not a rape (attempted or otherwise) apologist nor someone who intentionally belittles domestic violence and coercive control. But words do matter and it was disappointing at best to read what he said.
 
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