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Roberto De Zerbi *OFFICIAL*

MartyFunkhouser said:
Wasn't Frank the unanimous choice in the summer? This mob are all over the shop with comms

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He dont even know what day of the week it is. He always looks lost and confused. Probably surprises himself daily with how he still manages to have a job
 
DeanoAustin said:
The fact we went for an interim in Tudor would strongly suggest that our preferred candidate is coming available in the summer. Unless that was de Zerbi, who was sacked just before Tudor was appointed and was available at that time, the idiots making these decisions have had to change longer term strategic direction to address a short term problem and are paying a massive premium to do it.

Beyond incompetent.
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In fairness you don't actually have anything to back that up. De Zerbi's agent said when he left Marseille that he was taking a break. The club *might* have been told that (I don't typically go round using phrases like "beyond incompetent" unless I'm dealing in facts) and decided to get an interim because they wanted to review in the summer, a summer where Poch, Hutter, DeZ and Ariola were available, while the noise coming from Toon indicates Howe may be coming to his end there too, who would do a phenomenal job here given a chance.

The bottom line is that this club leadership has shown a desire to back someone for more than the ten game madness favoured by the likes of Forest. The atmosphere under Frank got unbearable, and Tudor wasn't a good fit, for right or for wrong.

De Zerbi is a fantastic coach by all accounts and could be a master stroke.
 
Surfless said:
In fairness you don't actually have anything to back that up. De Zerbi's agent said when he left Marseille that he was taking a break. The club *might* have been told that (I don't typically go round using phrases like "beyond incompetent" unless I'm dealing in facts) and decided to get an interim because they wanted to review in the summer, a summer where Poch, Hutter, DeZ and Ariola were available, while the noise coming from Toon indicates Howe may be coming to his end there too, who would do a phenomenal job here given a chance.

The bottom line is that this club leadership has shown a desire to back someone for more than the ten game madness favoured by the likes of Forest. The atmosphere under Frank got unbearable, and Tudor wasn't a good fit, for right or for wrong.

De Zerbi is a fantastic coach by all accounts and could be a master stroke.
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What we have to back it up is that the club felt the interim route was the way to go 5 league games ago. We’re less than two months down the road and now they are offering a 5 year deal to a permanent manager. That would seriously call into question the logic of going the interim route in the first place.

What we also know is that they have made him the third highest paid manager in the league and are having to pay him a very hefty bonus to stay up because the previous two appointments were disasters. De Zerbi has been able to name his price.

What we also know is that stylistically de Zerbi is a million miles from Frank as you can get.

We’re the 6th biggest spenders on wages, we’re the 3rd or 4th biggest spenders on transfers. To be 17th and scrambling around for a white knight at this point of the season can only come from rank incompetence.

The decision to appoint de Zerbi isn’t incompetent. He’s probably the best available candidate. The fact we’re so desperate and having to do it now at any cost is the incompetent bit.
 
DeanoAustin said:
What we have to back it up is that the club felt the interim route was the way to go 5 league games ago. We’re less than two months down the road and now they are offering a 5 year deal to a permanent manager. That would seriously call into question the logic of going the interim route in the first place.

What we also know is that they have made him the third highest paid manager in the league and are having to pay him a very hefty bonus to stay up because the previous two appointments were disasters. De Zerbi has been able to name his price.

What we also know is that stylistically de Zerbi is a million miles from Frank as you can get.

We’re the 6th biggest spenders on wages, we’re the 3rd or 4th biggest spenders on transfers. To be 17th and scrambling around for a white knight at this point of the season can only come from rank incompetence.

The decision to appoint de Zerbi isn’t incompetent. He’s probably the best available candidate. The fact we’re so desperate and having to do it now at any cost is the incompetent bit.
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Agree with your general point Deano, but I don't think they decided an interim was the way they ideally wanted to go - it was forced on them. The coaches they would have wanted on a permanent deal wouldn't come at that stage (apparently including de Zebri) so they had to take a temporary option.

You're not going to appoint Dyche, Tudor, Redknapp or whoever on a permanent deal. But yes, there has been a lot of incompetence that has lead us to this point....
 
Just gonna do my normal broken record post, as I did with every manager since time began.

You can look at managers from afar but you can never really judge them until they are your manager. As a fan, you're never going to see things through the eyes of an opposition fan. We have lived and breathed every right or left turn that all our manager have done in the last few years and formed opinions, mostly in the negative. You have to judge managers through the lens of being a Spurs fan. I think it is now up to the fans to see the best in him and get behind him. That being said, it is also up to RDZ to accept the terms of what it means to be Spurs boss. Many have nodded their heads in the interview, taken the salary and then gone rogue on us. They pretend they didn't know what the terms were in the first place and make our club out to be the bad guys.

I'm actually secretly excited about this appointment. We definitely have a stylistic fit but I think we may also have a more mature RDZ than we've seen in the past. He clearly feels ready for the biggest challenge of his career.

I wish him all the best.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Conversely - Pahlinha, Dragusin and Vicario will be the ones who struggle with him due to their poor passing.

It will be interesting to see what he does with GK - we might even see Austin or Gunter, if they are the best with their feet
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The key for them is the midfield and wide players knowing to make the right options. They can all pass - they are professional footballers. It's about options available when they are being pressed.
 
harr1984 said:
Agree with your general point Deano, but I don't think they decided an interim was the way they ideally wanted to go - it was forced on them. The coaches they would have wanted on a permanent deal wouldn't come at that stage (apparently including de Zebri) so they had to take a temporary option.

You're not going to appoint Dyche, Tudor, Redknapp or whoever on a permanent deal. But yes, there has been a lot of incompetence that has lead us to this point....
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To quote the Million Dollar Man, everybody has a price, and if they wanted to do this move on De Zerbi earlier, I think they could have. I think the prospect of relegation getting more real clarified their thinking and made it so almost whatever it costs to get him will be worth it if he keeps us up, and it’s that clarifying logic they didn’t have 2 months ago.

I like the fact that they have made a strong, long term bet. It makes me feel much better about relegation if we know we have a good manager for the long term. And I don’t blame VV/JL as much as I do for the other dreadful decisions they have made on this. But equally, the buck stops with them. If they were committed long term to De Zerbi they could have made that case to him 2 months ago. I think that even at that point they thought relegation was unlikely, and now it’s shifted to likely. It just all feels a bit like they keep making the slightly wrong decision. At least with a 5 year contract and no relegation clause it means they are finally seizing back control.
 
Muttley said:
Just gonna do my normal broken record post, as I did with every manager since time began.

You can look at managers from afar but you can never really judge them until they are your manager. As a fan, you're never going to see things through the eyes of an opposition fan. We have lived and breathed every right or left turn that all our manager have done in the last few years and formed opinions, mostly in the negative. You have to judge managers through the lens of being a Spurs fan. I think it is now up to the fans to see the best in him and get behind him. That being said, it is also up to RDZ to accept the terms of what it means to be Spurs boss. Many have nodded their heads in the interview, taken the salary and then gone rogue on us. They pretend they didn't know what the terms were in the first place and make our club out to be the bad guys.

I'm actually secretly excited about this appointment. We definitely have a stylistic fit but I think we may also have a more mature RDZ than we've seen in the past. He clearly feels ready for the biggest challenge of his career.

I wish him all the best.
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I agree. It's could be genius or a nightmare. For me, all I care about is him keeping us up... If he wants to leave after that, he earned the full contract value.

I do believe his football better suits our squad. We just need to delay the inevitable implosion that comes with RDZ and identify the next manager we want
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
To quote the Million Dollar Man, everybody has a price, and if they wanted to do this move on De Zerbi earlier, I think they could have. I think the prospect of relegation getting more real clarified their thinking and made it so almost whatever it costs to get him will be worth it if he keeps us up, and it’s that clarifying logic they didn’t have 2 months ago.

I like the fact that they have made a strong, long term bet. It makes me feel much better about relegation if we know we have a good manager for the long term. And I don’t blame VV/JL as much as I do for the other dreadful decisions they have made on this. But equally, the buck stops with them. If they were committed long term to De Zerbi they could have made that case to him 2 months ago. I think that even at that point they thought relegation was unlikely, and now it’s shifted to likely. It just all feels a bit like they keep making the slightly wrong decision. At least with a 5 year contract and no relegation clause it means they are finally seizing back control.
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Yes they could have done it earlier, but they didn't because whilst de Zebri was their first choice on a permanent at the time they didn't want to overpay and thought they could fudge their way through with an interim until going back to him in the summer.

They are simply desperate now, I'm not sure I'd go along with your label of 'clarifying logic'. It's their final hail Mary, I'm happy with the appointment and I think it will work - but it is their complete incompetence and muddled thinking that has got us to this point of desperation....
 
yiddo37 said:
Which way? You've mentioned two styles?
Or do you mean we haven't the players either way?
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I mean his trademark playing out from the back style. Looks extremely risky with our confidence shot lot. So, we may need something a bit more pragmatic to begin with, in my opinion. To dare is to do though, or so they say.
 
Look right. I've been thinking about this. And it could all go horribly wrong. It may not go horribly wrong but simply be too late in this season, BUT....appreciating that some have an issue with who they perceive him to be.....I can't think of a coach that i personally feel bought into in terms of fit with the club since, well, Poch. The passion, the DARE, the risk taking, the football, the top level experience, the siege mentality, the f*ck you, but also the brotherhood....while it may seem unsavoury to some the fact he took time to relate to a troubled person and see if there was something he could reignite....you know, that is what this squad needs. Its what we fans need. Its what the club needs. Someone to take us with them on a journey (hopefully not to Blackburn Rovers away)...
 
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