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Bishop said:
Sorry what have we been challenging for the last 15 years? Top 4? Low standards again. Getting it the first time, even the 2nd was an achievement at this point who cares if we aren't actually challenging for it or winning it. We strive to qualify for the CL for what purpose exactly? Just to be there or more realistically for the financial benefits.
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The conversation has run it's course mate, same as always, same as every few months.

We get to share perspectives/viewpoints then eventually (see few posts above), someone can't articulate a point, so it becomes "happy clappers", whatever type of insult brick, and it will circle back in a few months
 
Raziel said:
The conversation has run it's course mate, same as always, same as every few months.

We get to share perspectives/viewpoints then eventually (see few posts above), someone can't articulate a point, so it becomes "happy clappers", whatever type of insult brick, and it will circle back in a few months
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I'm happy to debate it, especially without calling anyone names (it's not that serious).
 
harr1984 said:
Well of all the excuses I've heard the 'Spurs are too big to have a free hit at a trophy' is certainly original :D Like a fine wine these excuses are getting better and better.

And this season is as much of a free hit as we have ever had, the league has been a write off for months so let's hope we win the Europa at least. We were in the Conference league which with our squad should have comfortably been getting to the latter stages of and really winning it - instead couldn't even muster getting out of the group stages.

Seriously, how many more years are you going to bother writing your long paragraphs of reasons why poor old Spurs are unfortunate and maybe just contemplate it won't happen with this lot in charge?
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Surely one doesn't exclude the other?
 
We are not going anywhere with this lot. Play it safe.

It’s like signing Rasiak or boothe and then telling me it’s the best that we can do because of x y z …

We have a model and it doesn’t smack of ambition…. Lowest payers across all of football …. Oh so ambitious put it in my mouth levy and Lewis I love it …

Jeez thanks for the memories let’s just try something different … we might have ambition
 
Gazza said:
We are not going anywhere with this lot. Play it safe.

It’s like signing Rasiak or boothe and then telling me it’s the best that we can do because of x y z …

We have a model and it doesn’t smack of ambition…. Lowest payers across all of football …. Oh so ambitious put it in my mouth levy and Lewis I love it …

Jeez thanks for the memories let’s just try something different … we might have ambition
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14th highest wage bill, only team above us that are not massive European clubs are Villa.
 
Raziel said:
Nuance

- Leicester is a fluke and a case of flying too close to the sun. Relegated twice now with impending points deduction in Championship waiting. Never able to translate that on field success to financial growth. This is exactly the conversation to have, would you trade two trophies for years in the Championship and potential long term future of the club? and if you would, do you really care about the club or is it a flex for you?

- United (in a financial league of their own compared to anyone) & Liverpool are the biggest clubs in UK by some distance, when United inevitably gets back to a challenging position are we going to take about the league finishes above them and why didn't we make it count?

- Arsenal winning the CL would be an extraordinary accomplishment for them, doubly so as European success is the thing they have never achieved. No question the season would be a success, but they have failed in the league and now are in the same position as us, win a cup and it's a good season, lose it and real questions and change possibly to follow.

To your last point I completely disagree, the amount of if we were just run like Leicester, Forest, Brighton, Wolves, whoever the fudge the flavor of the season is I hear on this board, only for that club not to get mentioned again once the revert to mean inevitably happens.

City, Chelsea, Liverpool are the success stories of the last decade, and two of those have done it by money doping ..
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I think it’s a bit unfair to label Brighton as the flavour of the season. They’ve been a decent outfit for a good 4-5 years now. They haven’t translated their relative success into trophies but they’re very well run and don’t seem to be greatly impacted when they lose players and managers. That is the sign of a well run club.
 
thfcsteff said:
Are you being a dingdong mate? I took your suggestion as genuine. Now it feels like you're trolling...
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No not trolling... (other than the Dubai comment) it'd be a good listen I'm sure.

Pre ENIC and an overview of the Sugar years leading up to sale/purchase

Post purchase up until around the Pleat caretaker season

Arnesen/Jol through to Redknapp

AVB through to Poch

Latter years Poch through to Paratichi

Paratichi through to present day


A lot of topics to sink your teeth into there I'm sure
 
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thfcsteff said:
Are you being a dingdong mate? I took your suggestion as genuine. Now it feels like you're trolling...
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He’d be a good guest I’m sure. He’s articulate and is knowledgeable about the club and the game as a whole. Surely it’s a good thing to have contrasting viewpoints and not just Gary Mabbutt esque posters who wouldn’t dare criticise the club and think they can do no wrong?
 
Raziel said:
Mate, come on

- You just moved the goalposts from when Klopp joined to 2 years later
- Liverpool literally while behind us points wise in those years were not behind us financially (they have literally had 30+ years of financial advantage year over year)
- What happens in 2017 -2019? hint, club has another expense to start paying for (that was spiraling over cost)
- Yes, Pool did well with both the manager appointment and Allison, VVD but they have had duds, their duds don't matter as much (see thing about money), where ours (Ndombele/Lo Celso) cost us for years.

It's bricky timing (and typical Spurs) but it isn't some plot of incompetency by the club
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Hahaha, a response I actually expected from you.

In 2014/15, we finished above Liverpool in 5th on 64 points to their 62. I mean, how many more ways would you like it written down for you to accept this is not 'moving goalposts', there was a period of time (not just a few months) where we had the edge over Liverpool and were in greater onfield ascension.

You and others keep retreating to 2017-19, yet you never acknowledge or address the questions regarding footballing decisions!
Sissoko cost 30 million
Janssen cost 17 million
N'Jie cost 12 million
N'Koudou cost 11 million
Moura cost 25 million

Here are a few of the players the manager wanted and didn't get... Mane, Winaldjum, Grealish, Maguire, Fernandes.

None of us have crystal balls so who knows if even two of them would've made a difference. I have always felt Mane and Winaldjum coming in would've been transformative.
What we can say is that the fact he decided against buying anyone for a little over a year after all that, tells us that he was tired of getting fobbed off with 'committee' choices. And we can also say that Klopp looked at that 4-1 hammering by us, and realised he'd spend the next few years behind us like the previous two unless he got VVD and Allison. His board got the sale of Coutinho done, and Klopp got the money.

Of course they've had duds; but strategcially, their 'duds' have not affected them like ours. You 'moved a goalpost or few LOL' and decided to bring up Lo Celso and N'Dombele. OK, whose fault was THAT palaver? Could it have been the fault of a chairman who at one moment spent to appease a manager he thought he wanted to keep, only to fudge him over the moment his 'lost love' whispered sweet nothings into his ear persistently? It was pathetic!

I did not say anything about a 'plot' of incompetency. I merely pointed out that we made some bad decisions with regards to potentially achieving massive things on the pitch. Off the field we are pretty untouchable, that is clear, yet I am always amazed that within that circle of praise, no-one has questioned that we chose the likes of Moussa and N'Jie instead of Mane and Winaldjum.

Again, NONE of this makes sense unless you are prepared to acknowledge that despite the financial differences, we were ahead of them in the pitch for several years, and that prudent-yet-slightly more adventurous speculation could well have ensured years of silverware and success...
 
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