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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/
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Robspur12
John Lacy
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I completely disagree with the parameters you are judging him by. Who gives a fig how well he did or didn't do in the cups see Ramos and Dagliesh guys who won cups and yet ****ed up in the league. How would you have rated Rodgers last season? Crap in the cups and did not mount a serious top 4 challenge. Funny because loads of posters on here were laughing at him last season, bet they are not now. You dismiss our fifth place but IMO it shows that there must be a plan and it is working to a degree. I can understand if we were hovering above the drop zone or even ensconced in mid table having been left a reasonable points total by his predecessor. But we are not. We have tried managers with credentials and it has failed I would say we should see how we finish this season and try and build some momentum for next but like I said before Sherwood cannot really win with many fans.
Bottom line is you and many other fans on here are viewing him through a lens of personal dislike which will mean you will never accept him.
I completely disagree with the parameters you are judging him by. Who gives a fig how well he did or didn't do in the cups see Ramos and Dagliesh guys who won cups and yet ****ed up in the league. How would you have rated Rodgers last season? Crap in the cups and did not mount a serious top 4 challenge. Funny because loads of posters on here were laughing at him last season, bet they are not now. You dismiss our fifth place but IMO it shows that there must be a plan and it is working to a degree. I can understand if we were hovering above the drop zone or even ensconced in mid table having been left a reasonable points total by his predecessor. But we are not. We have tried managers with credentials and it has failed I would say we should see how we finish this season and try and build some momentum for next but like I said before Sherwood cannot really win with many fans.
Bottom line is you and many other fans on here are viewing him through a lens of personal dislike which will mean you will never accept him.
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Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
But when they are performing it's nothing to do with him. That's how it works right?
But when they are performing it's nothing to do with him. That's how it works right?
Robspur12
John Lacy
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Mate I actually do agree, amazingly, with scara's point about responsibility. Sherwood needs to sort this out.
Mate I actually do agree, amazingly, with scara's point about responsibility. Sherwood needs to sort this out.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Sherwood trains the players, sends them out on the pitch, once they're out there he can't MAKE Naughton header the ball instead of letting it bounce over his head or MAKE the CBs mark someone in the penalty box. Those are individual decisions he has no control over and nothing to do with training or tactics.
Sherwood trains the players, sends them out on the pitch, once they're out there he can't MAKE Naughton header the ball instead of letting it bounce over his head or MAKE the CBs mark someone in the penalty box. Those are individual decisions he has no control over and nothing to do with training or tactics.
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
So do I, Sherwood, at very least needs to look into why it keeps happening. But that doesn't mean that he should be given no credit for players who perform well under him.
So do I, Sherwood, at very least needs to look into why it keeps happening. But that doesn't mean that he should be given no credit for players who perform well under him.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
If they perform above their ability then it's to his credit. I've yet to see any of our players do that (although I'll admit it rarely shows in the short term)
If they perform above their ability then it's to his credit. I've yet to see any of our players do that (although I'll admit it rarely shows in the short term)
Robspur12
John Lacy
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I agree to certain extent but it is worrying how many mistakes everyone in our back line are making which makes me wonder if it is a systemic problem, a mental one or a combination of both.
I agree to certain extent but it is worrying how many mistakes everyone in our back line are making which makes me wonder if it is a systemic problem, a mental one or a combination of both.
Robspur12
John Lacy
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
You're right he can't make Naughton do anything, but he now needs to pull him aside in training and try to get to the root cause of why the errors happened. If it's a 'boss, I just misjudged the flight of the ball because to be honest, I'm a bit **** (which I suspect is the case)' he has to establish the best way for preventing it from happening again.
You're right he can't make Naughton do anything, but he now needs to pull him aside in training and try to get to the root cause of why the errors happened. If it's a 'boss, I just misjudged the flight of the ball because to be honest, I'm a bit **** (which I suspect is the case)' he has to establish the best way for preventing it from happening again.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Indeed, and this is a point I made with regards to Sherwood's managerial potential i.e. if he is prepared to work with great coaches alongside him then he has a pretty bright future I'd imagine...
Indeed, and this is a point I made with regards to Sherwood's managerial potential i.e. if he is prepared to work with great coaches alongside him then he has a pretty bright future I'd imagine...
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Probably a combination of both.
I'm not sure when we played the same back four for more than two games in a row. Injuries and suspensions have made playing a settled back four impossible.
Probably a combination of both.
I'm not sure when we played the same back four for more than two games in a row. Injuries and suspensions have made playing a settled back four impossible.
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
That doesn't make sense. No player on the planet consistently performs above their ability because their ability is determined by what they can and can't do. If a player consistently performs 'above' their ability level it means they have improved as a player, their improvement as a player comes down to many things.
That doesn't make sense. No player on the planet consistently performs above their ability because their ability is determined by what they can and can't do. If a player consistently performs 'above' their ability level it means they have improved as a player, their improvement as a player comes down to many things.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Try reversing that and see if it makes sense.
If a player (let's say Naughton) is consistently playing below their level, does that mean he's permanently now a worse player or that he's going through a bad patch of form?
Good managers get more out of their players/team than bad managers - so far, Timmeh is not even getting a par performance out of our defence.
Try reversing that and see if it makes sense.
If a player (let's say Naughton) is consistently playing below their level, does that mean he's permanently now a worse player or that he's going through a bad patch of form?
Good managers get more out of their players/team than bad managers - so far, Timmeh is not even getting a par performance out of our defence.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Exactly. The salient stats are:
AVB PL 16 gls 15 gls (0.95 per game) goals against 21 (1.31 per game)
TS PL 15 gls 25 (1.66 per game) goals against 19 (1.26 per game)
Whichever way you look at those figures, under TS we are scoring more AND conceding less.
Also, may I remind you that 7 of the goals against Sherwood came after penalties were awarded and men wrongly sent off against Chelsea and City. Add in , the individual aberrations ala Verts and Walker v Chelsea and Naughton's two yesterday and you get a very different picture indeed.
Finally, I really didn't want to continue to watch a team scoring less than a goal a game. Thankfully we are now up to 1.66 per game.
Exactly. The salient stats are:
AVB PL 16 gls 15 gls (0.95 per game) goals against 21 (1.31 per game)
TS PL 15 gls 25 (1.66 per game) goals against 19 (1.26 per game)
Whichever way you look at those figures, under TS we are scoring more AND conceding less.
Also, may I remind you that 7 of the goals against Sherwood came after penalties were awarded and men wrongly sent off against Chelsea and City. Add in , the individual aberrations ala Verts and Walker v Chelsea and Naughton's two yesterday and you get a very different picture indeed.
Finally, I really didn't want to continue to watch a team scoring less than a goal a game. Thankfully we are now up to 1.66 per game.
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Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
It means that either their ability level is not very high to begin with or that they're not playing to the best of their ability. My guess is that in his case it's a bit of both.
They do, but they do not consistently have players perform 'above' their ability level which is the criteria you are trying to judge him on.
It means that either their ability level is not very high to begin with or that they're not playing to the best of their ability. My guess is that in his case it's a bit of both.
They do, but they do not consistently have players perform 'above' their ability level which is the criteria you are trying to judge him on.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Just any above par performances would show that he is having some effect. I'm not seeing that - I'm seeing a team that (if we're being really generous) is playing at par and winning points because we have better players. In which case the best we can say about YTS is that he hasn't turned the team entirely to **** yet.
Just any above par performances would show that he is having some effect. I'm not seeing that - I'm seeing a team that (if we're being really generous) is playing at par and winning points because we have better players. In which case the best we can say about YTS is that he hasn't turned the team entirely to **** yet.