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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Because these things take time to fix properly. Anyone can paint over a crack, but that won't stop the subsidence.
Because these things take time to fix properly. Anyone can paint over a crack, but that won't stop the subsidence.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
My bad, must have quoted the wrong post.
You seem to think that my belief that AVB would/could have achieved great things with us is influencing my opinion of Timmeh - that couldn't be further from the truth.
The only reason I wanted AVB to be given more time is that I thought he could go on to do a lot for us if given that time. The reason I want Timmeh replaced with a professional is that I don't believe he has what it takes.
That said, the second half of today was very good. It's taken him longer to get there than it should have, as most of the pieces were already in place, but he got there in the end.
If he hasn't undone any good work, then can I assume you believe we don't need any midfield solidity, we can get away with a huge gap between midfield and defence and that we can go at it 100% for 85 minutes of every match?
My bad, must have quoted the wrong post.
You seem to think that my belief that AVB would/could have achieved great things with us is influencing my opinion of Timmeh - that couldn't be further from the truth.
The only reason I wanted AVB to be given more time is that I thought he could go on to do a lot for us if given that time. The reason I want Timmeh replaced with a professional is that I don't believe he has what it takes.
That said, the second half of today was very good. It's taken him longer to get there than it should have, as most of the pieces were already in place, but he got there in the end.
If he hasn't undone any good work, then can I assume you believe we don't need any midfield solidity, we can get away with a huge gap between midfield and defence and that we can go at it 100% for 85 minutes of every match?
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Ah, I can see why I've never heard of it - very "outdoorsy". Thanks.
Ah, I can see why I've never heard of it - very "outdoorsy". Thanks.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I have contributed (check previous page).
I think your post insinuating that Sherwood purposely kept Benteleb away from AVB is the most ridiculous post i've read on here in a long time...it smacks of desperation and shows that not only do you have an agenda, but you will go to 'GB' lengths to push it. Your untouchable though, so it's fine, but jesus that post was utter steaming ****e imo.
I have contributed (check previous page).
I think your post insinuating that Sherwood purposely kept Benteleb away from AVB is the most ridiculous post i've read on here in a long time...it smacks of desperation and shows that not only do you have an agenda, but you will go to 'GB' lengths to push it. Your untouchable though, so it's fine, but jesus that post was utter steaming ****e imo.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I can accept the constant posts about Sherwood being 'dim' (or whatever you call it), how he's reading the 'book for dummies' (which was somewhat funny tbh) but the latest post shows desperation.
I can accept the constant posts about Sherwood being 'dim' (or whatever you call it), how he's reading the 'book for dummies' (which was somewhat funny tbh) but the latest post shows desperation.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I hold myself to the same standards that I do any other poster on here.
There are three lines of thought as to why AVB didnt play Bentaleb on here (I haven't even said I think my one is the case, merely offered it as an alternative possibility) and they're all based on rumour and conjecture.
If AVB ever comes out and says "Bentaleb is sh1t" or "I didn't know him because I don't bother watching reserves" then I guess we'll know. Until then all of the bull**** is as valid as every other bit.
I hold myself to the same standards that I do any other poster on here.
There are three lines of thought as to why AVB didnt play Bentaleb on here (I haven't even said I think my one is the case, merely offered it as an alternative possibility) and they're all based on rumour and conjecture.
If AVB ever comes out and says "Bentaleb is sh1t" or "I didn't know him because I don't bother watching reserves" then I guess we'll know. Until then all of the bull**** is as valid as every other bit.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Core midfield, we're a bit weaker, but also we're without Sandro and Paulinho. We're also creating more chances and scoring more goals. Liverpool walked past us under AVB with fairly similar injury problems to what Sherwood has had to deal with. We were in a state of disarray in the last couple of weeks under AVB, Sherwood hasn't sorted all of that, but he can't be expected to and he has improved us.
Disagree about tempo. The way we killed the game after the 1-3 goal today was very good, same as 10-12 minutes against United leading up to the 90th minute. By introducing a better passer into the team in Bentaleb either from the start or as a sub Sherwood has given us a player who can control the tempo of the game. None of our regular central midfielders under AVB did that. Control of the game is similar to this.
Sherwood has improved us short term where AVB failed. If Sherwood will keep improving us long term is a different question, but I don't know how you know he can't.
Core midfield, we're a bit weaker, but also we're without Sandro and Paulinho. We're also creating more chances and scoring more goals. Liverpool walked past us under AVB with fairly similar injury problems to what Sherwood has had to deal with. We were in a state of disarray in the last couple of weeks under AVB, Sherwood hasn't sorted all of that, but he can't be expected to and he has improved us.
Disagree about tempo. The way we killed the game after the 1-3 goal today was very good, same as 10-12 minutes against United leading up to the 90th minute. By introducing a better passer into the team in Bentaleb either from the start or as a sub Sherwood has given us a player who can control the tempo of the game. None of our regular central midfielders under AVB did that. Control of the game is similar to this.
Sherwood has improved us short term where AVB failed. If Sherwood will keep improving us long term is a different question, but I don't know how you know he can't.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Really? ok.
Let's run with your agenda driven nonsense for a minute. Eriksen said last week that the one name he constantly heard when he first joined, regarding our reserves was Benteleb. He said he was constantly talked about....so....you think it's at all likely that he's been talked about constantly by the players but AVB has no clue who he is? ahhhh yeh maybe it's evil Tim who told the first X1 to 'hush up about nabil when Andre is around'.
Really? ok.
Let's run with your agenda driven nonsense for a minute. Eriksen said last week that the one name he constantly heard when he first joined, regarding our reserves was Benteleb. He said he was constantly talked about....so....you think it's at all likely that he's been talked about constantly by the players but AVB has no clue who he is? ahhhh yeh maybe it's evil Tim who told the first X1 to 'hush up about nabil when Andre is around'.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Just because there's an absence of conclusive evidence doesn't mean that every theory has equal validity.
The theory you presented includes speculating that a man in charge of player development who rates a young player highly and thinks he's ready for the first team hid that information from the manager/head coach for some unexplained reasons.
Occam's razor...
Just because there's an absence of conclusive evidence doesn't mean that every theory has equal validity.
The theory you presented includes speculating that a man in charge of player development who rates a young player highly and thinks he's ready for the first team hid that information from the manager/head coach for some unexplained reasons.
Occam's razor...
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Ok Ok.
I can meet you halfway here because I also wanted AVB to be given time.....I really wanted us to have a man to strengthen us over a long period of time....to bring us glory....to grow with us with a new stadium. My Confidence was massively erroded by the City and more so the pool bashing....I was numb, I suggested he should offer his resignation but I wasnt calling for his head....although Affy's & KD's opinions were making me think more and more....and I was starting to see their point.
I really dont know what Tim has done to you personally but that last post of yours is perhaps the first post where you have given timmy any credit....albeit grudgeingly....
If you dont think Tim is qualified or good enough then fair enough...thats your opinion.....I am of the opinion we need more time to make a reasonable judgement however he has made a very impressive start.
I have tried to point out to you before my definition in 'controlling' of a game......again today we were 2+ goals up and we did well to maintain possesion after we conceded (ole posession football).... Basically get 2 goals up and demoralise the opposition....at 0-0 or 1-0 you can never say you are in control of a game because goals is and will always be the most important stat.
If we want to start the stats argument then AVB will compare Weakly to timmy at present....though I grant you we need a longer period in which to judge tim.
I thought Timmy made smart choices 'in game' maybe thats just me.
Ok Ok.
I can meet you halfway here because I also wanted AVB to be given time.....I really wanted us to have a man to strengthen us over a long period of time....to bring us glory....to grow with us with a new stadium. My Confidence was massively erroded by the City and more so the pool bashing....I was numb, I suggested he should offer his resignation but I wasnt calling for his head....although Affy's & KD's opinions were making me think more and more....and I was starting to see their point.
I really dont know what Tim has done to you personally but that last post of yours is perhaps the first post where you have given timmy any credit....albeit grudgeingly....
If you dont think Tim is qualified or good enough then fair enough...thats your opinion.....I am of the opinion we need more time to make a reasonable judgement however he has made a very impressive start.
I have tried to point out to you before my definition in 'controlling' of a game......again today we were 2+ goals up and we did well to maintain possesion after we conceded (ole posession football).... Basically get 2 goals up and demoralise the opposition....at 0-0 or 1-0 you can never say you are in control of a game because goals is and will always be the most important stat.
If we want to start the stats argument then AVB will compare Weakly to timmy at present....though I grant you we need a longer period in which to judge tim.
I thought Timmy made smart choices 'in game' maybe thats just me.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I think any analysis of AVB vs Tim has to be looked on through the consideration of the fact they are both trying to achieve different things - the ultimate goal is to achieve success with Spurs but they go about doing it in different ways and as such their versions of Spurs will have different strengths and weaknesses.
I don't look upon it as one failing to do something and the other sporting it and sorting it out. Different preferences for playing the game will have different results on the pitch, we can't be 100% good at everything and have to make choices about where we choose to excel. Short blanket theory.
I think any analysis of AVB vs Tim has to be looked on through the consideration of the fact they are both trying to achieve different things - the ultimate goal is to achieve success with Spurs but they go about doing it in different ways and as such their versions of Spurs will have different strengths and weaknesses.
I don't look upon it as one failing to do something and the other sporting it and sorting it out. Different preferences for playing the game will have different results on the pitch, we can't be 100% good at everything and have to make choices about where we choose to excel. Short blanket theory.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I think Liverpool bypassed the midfield into the channels rather than cutting through, but that might be my failing memory again.
We are shutting down a little at the end of matches, but that's not quite the same as what I meant. We seem to go at it for most of the match and then close out the end. I don't think that's compatible with a high press style and think we need to be able to change the tempo throughout.
I don't believe I've said that Sherwood can't improve us or that he won't, more that there are managers out there with the experience and history that suggest they could/would.
And he still keeps saying stuff that makes me think he can't! It may be that he's just a dingdong, and if the results continue to be good then seeing as I don't believe in luck, it will be the only remaining option. I can live with that, but don't expect me to like him. But then he talks about wanting to employ Louise Redknapp's husband and that is not the action of a man with a fully functioning brain.
I think Liverpool bypassed the midfield into the channels rather than cutting through, but that might be my failing memory again.
We are shutting down a little at the end of matches, but that's not quite the same as what I meant. We seem to go at it for most of the match and then close out the end. I don't think that's compatible with a high press style and think we need to be able to change the tempo throughout.
I don't believe I've said that Sherwood can't improve us or that he won't, more that there are managers out there with the experience and history that suggest they could/would.
And he still keeps saying stuff that makes me think he can't! It may be that he's just a dingdong, and if the results continue to be good then seeing as I don't believe in luck, it will be the only remaining option. I can live with that, but don't expect me to like him. But then he talks about wanting to employ Louise Redknapp's husband and that is not the action of a man with a fully functioning brain.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
A question Scara:
You were one of those (including myself) arguing that the Modric - Huddlestone central midfield partnership was outstanding. You were the one saying that we didn't need a Parker type player and we would be better of with more passers in the team to help us control games.
Yet, AVB didn't sign or play any player that could be seen as a proper playmaker in the centre of the pitch. Not one. I thought it was harsh to describe his system as one with "two defensive midfielders", but it certainly wasn't anything close to the Modric - Huddlestone partnership in terms of ability on the ball, movement, passing tempo, pure outrageous ****ing skill or anything. Not even one of the players regularly used by AVB matched either of Hudd and Modric in these vital skills.
Sherwood comes in and he has the balls to introduce a 19 year old into the team to get us passing with more tempo, accuracy and purpose. A move clearly in the direction yourself, like me, argued for back in the day of the Modric - Huddlestone vs Parker debates. Yes, occasionally with Huddlestone someone is going to run straight through the middle with pace and Hudd would struggle to keep up, yes with a 19 year old Bentaleb in the team there's going to be space to be exploited in the middle at times. But at least we're passing, at least there are chances, purpose and plan to our attacking play. We have a deep playmaker again, someone with the guts to trust his touch in a tight spot, create the space and relase the ball to a well placed team mate instead of giving it back to the goalie to punt upfield.
What gives? Why doesn't this please you?
A question Scara:
You were one of those (including myself) arguing that the Modric - Huddlestone central midfield partnership was outstanding. You were the one saying that we didn't need a Parker type player and we would be better of with more passers in the team to help us control games.
Yet, AVB didn't sign or play any player that could be seen as a proper playmaker in the centre of the pitch. Not one. I thought it was harsh to describe his system as one with "two defensive midfielders", but it certainly wasn't anything close to the Modric - Huddlestone partnership in terms of ability on the ball, movement, passing tempo, pure outrageous ****ing skill or anything. Not even one of the players regularly used by AVB matched either of Hudd and Modric in these vital skills.
Sherwood comes in and he has the balls to introduce a 19 year old into the team to get us passing with more tempo, accuracy and purpose. A move clearly in the direction yourself, like me, argued for back in the day of the Modric - Huddlestone vs Parker debates. Yes, occasionally with Huddlestone someone is going to run straight through the middle with pace and Hudd would struggle to keep up, yes with a 19 year old Bentaleb in the team there's going to be space to be exploited in the middle at times. But at least we're passing, at least there are chances, purpose and plan to our attacking play. We have a deep playmaker again, someone with the guts to trust his touch in a tight spot, create the space and relase the ball to a well placed team mate instead of giving it back to the goalie to punt upfield.
What gives? Why doesn't this please you?
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
He might have just said that Bentaleb was a talent, but not ready. There are all kinds of ways of keeping Bentaleb to make himself look good.
He might have just said that Bentaleb was a talent, but not ready. There are all kinds of ways of keeping Bentaleb to make himself look good.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Actually I explained the reason in another post (I think in the should AVB have been sacked thread).
We've all worked with people that keep knowledge/assets from others in order to improve their own appearance. I'd say it's incredibly unlikely that nothing like that happens at the club - it happens in every other workplace.
I realise that not all theories are equally valid, but I have a problem with believing any rumours coming out of the club when there's via reason to believe many of the leaks come from Sherwood himself. I know there are two representations of what happened on twitter, but I am firstly on the side of it being true.
Actually I explained the reason in another post (I think in the should AVB have been sacked thread).
We've all worked with people that keep knowledge/assets from others in order to improve their own appearance. I'd say it's incredibly unlikely that nothing like that happens at the club - it happens in every other workplace.
I realise that not all theories are equally valid, but I have a problem with believing any rumours coming out of the club when there's via reason to believe many of the leaks come from Sherwood himself. I know there are two representations of what happened on twitter, but I am firstly on the side of it being true.