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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?

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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Jurgen the German said:
I wouldn't take five consecutive 8th places finishes for example like I'm sure Scara would have under AVB.

Of course there were games where we deserved to win, but in the second half of the season especially, Bale was the only one who looked like he was capable of scoring and was ultimately the difference.
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Bale was our best player no doubt, but the games where we can say that the only reason we got the points was because Bale saved us weren't actually that many.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

JtheG is right. AVB had long enough. We can't give him an indefinite pass in the HOPE that things come good when plainly there were inherent problems.

Early days, but TS has been a breath of fresh air to our strangled team and confused players. Long may it continue.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sunderland (H), Southampton (H), West Ham (A), West Brom (A), Wigan (A), Saudi Sportswashing Machine (H), Norwich (A) and then numerous cup games (Lyon at home for instance).
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

BrainOfLevy said:
Bale was our best player no doubt, but the games where we can say that the only reason we got the points was because Bale saved us weren't actually that many.
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Last 15 league games of last season: won 9, drew 4, lost 2, points 31
Last 15 league games of last season minus Bales's goals: won 2, drew 7, lost 6, points 13
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

That's such a stupid stat though, if we didn't have Bale for instance then how do you know the replacement wouldn't have scored or tracked back to stop a goal we conceded. How many of those games were only won by one goal for instance and of those how many did we concede in?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Of the ones I listed above, three were won by Bale wonderstrikes and by a 1-0 scoreline. Then the West Ham game where we needed his stunning goal to win it even though we hammered them all game. Norwich and Wigan (A) were games we just managed to scrape draws in where Bale was instrumental in us coming away with a point and finall the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game where Bale scored both goals for us to win 2-1.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

P.D. said:
That's such a stupid stat though, if we didn't have Bale for instance then how do you know the replacement wouldn't have scored or tracked back to stop a goal we conceded. How many of those games were only won by one goal for instance and of those how many did we concede in?
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Because Bale scored 12 goals in 14 games at the end of the season.
At the start of this season without Bale the entire team scored 13 goals in 14 games!

You can look at it yourself, its pretty obvious how vital he was.

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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Honestly the Bale argument is just stupid

- United wouldn't have won the title without RVP
- Pool wouldn't be in the top 4 without Suarez
- PSG wouldn't win the league without Zlatan

When do you stop and say all teams that have a WC player depend on them, if they succeed/fail, the manager should get the same level of credit/blame.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

How easy is it to say "without Bale's goals where would we have been... blah blah blah.."

The most common and cheap AVB shot.

Bale was a winger, who came on strong in the second half of the season. Good for him and good for us.
In fact, lucky for us. What happened to Defoe in the second half of last season? He was great the first half and went the same barren way as many a season before that. In fact just like with Harry in 2010-11. Was that AVB's fault? If it was, then was it down to AVB that he had such a good streak in the first half of the season?

What happened to Adebayor last season, when he did play? Did AVB ask him to miss those sitters vs West Ham, Swansea, QPR etc?

Let's also look at how we played; were we really dire vs West Ham? vS Saudi Sportswashing Machine? Vs Arsenal? Vs West Brom? Vs Swansea?
And when we lost ridiculously to Liverpool, did we not play them off the park?

Perhaps AVB should get credit for spotting that our forwards were so crap and that to mitigate this and keep us up there, he decided to make even more use of Bale's incredible shooting and running abilities.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Raziel said:
Honestly the Bale argument is just stupid

- United wouldn't have won the title without RVP
- Pool wouldn't be in the top 4 without Suarez
- PSG wouldn't win the league without Zlatan

When do you stop and say all teams that have a WC player depend on them, if they succeed/fail, the manager should get the same level of credit/blame.
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Thank you, but don't let the 'AVB did nothing right' phalanx hear that
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Raziel said:
Honestly the Bale argument is just stupid

- United wouldn't have won the title without RVP
- Pool wouldn't be in the top 4 without Suarez
- PSG wouldn't win the league without Zlatan

When do you stop and say all teams that have a WC player depend on them, if they succeed/fail, the manager should get the same level of credit/blame.
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When the difference in performance due to one man is so dramatic it's inescapable. United were winning Leagues before RVP arrived. Liverpool were scoring goals for fun before Suarez returned from his ban. PSG spunked £270m on the likes of Cavani, Thiago Silva, Javier Pastore, Lucas Moure et al.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Spur of the moment said:
When the difference in performance due to one man is so dramatic it's inescapable. United were winning Leagues before RVP arrived. Liverpool were scoring goals for fun before Suarez returned from his ban. PSG spunked £270m on the likes of Cavani, Thiago Silva, Javier Pastore, Lucas Moure et al.
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Whilst we lost Modric, VDV, King and Kaboul and went from 4th to then come 5th; Hardly comparable to the other situations you speak of.

Perhaps if other people actually paid to score goals, scored them Bale's contribution wouldn't look so dramatic.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

glorygloryeze said:
How easy is it to say "without Bale's goals where would we have been... blah blah blah.."

The most common and cheap AVB shot.

Bale was a winger, who came on strong in the second half of the season. Good for him and good for us.
In fact, lucky for us. What happened to Defoe in the second half of last season? He was great the first half and went the same barren way as many a season before that. In fact just like with Harry in 2010-11. Was that AVB's fault? If it was, then was it down to AVB that he had such a good streak in the first half of the season?

What happened to Adebayor last season, when he did play? Did AVB ask him to miss those sitters vs West Ham, Swansea, QPR etc?

Let's also look at how we played; were we really dire vs West Ham? vS Saudi Sportswashing Machine? Vs Arsenal? Vs West Brom? Vs Swansea?
And when we lost ridiculously to Liverpool, did we not play them off the park?

Perhaps AVB should get credit for spotting that our forwards were so crap and that to mitigate this and keep us up there, he decided to make even more use of Bale's incredible shooting and running abilities.
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Believe that if you want to, but the earth still isn't flat and no matter how many times you say it, it will still not make a difference.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

During Bale's 15 game spell we scored 26 goals in 15 which works out at 1.733 goals per game.
However in the 23 games before that, we scored 40 in 23 which works out at 1.739 goals per game.

So we didn't improve as a team during Bale's spell. He keep us ticking over at the same scoring rate. The rest of the team fell away. Bale went from scoring 22.5% of our goals to scoring 46% of them.

When Bale left. The players were still conditioned that someone else in the team would come through and score our goals, it wasn't their responsibility. Our scoring rate dropped to 9 goals in 12 games at the start of the season.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Pirate55 said:
Believe that if you want to, but the earth still isn't flat and no matter how many times you say it, it will still not make a difference.
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That is a remarkably dismissive response to a cogent post.
It may even be called common and cheap.

Though I suppose you are correct to say that it won't make a difference how many times he says it. It will remain unchanged, as fully correct as it was before
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Tim Sherwood has warned Mauricio Pochettino that the Tottenham job is a step up from managing Southampton.

Pochettino's future on the South Coast has been thrown into doubt following the resignation of chairman Nicola Cortese on Wednesday.

The Argentine said in the summer he would follow Cortese out of the door. He looks set to stay at Southampton until the end of the season but would offer no further guarantees beyond then.

Pochettino was strongly linked to the managerial vacancy at Spurs when Andre Villas-Boas was sacked last month but Sherwood, who was instead handed an 18-month contract, insists his job is very different.

Sherwood said: 'The expectation at this club is far greater than they have at Southampton.

'We were talking about that last week on the development side and used Andros Townsend as an example.

'If he was at Southampton he would not have had nine loans – he would have had his development through the leagues there; League One, the Championship and so on. Like Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Theo Walcott. That is the market they are in.'

Sherwood knows he is under pressure to succeed at White Hart Lane. His predecessor Villas-Boas was axed just four months into the season after the club invested more than £100million on new players but were struggling in the league.

Sherwood added: 'At the moment it is going all right, especially in the league. Long may that continue and if it does, it will be hard for somebody to come in here and push me out of the seat.

'I am realistic enough to know the ambitions of this club are very, very high and the demands are high.

'I knew that before I took the job and I am just hoping I can do enough to keep the job in the long term.'

The 44-year-old former Spurs players is one of only four English bosses currently in charge in the top flight. He believes others are rooting for him to fly the flag for home-grown managers.

He added: 'Recent history suggests there is a tendency to go for foreign names. The pressure is on.

'There are a lot of English coaches – young English coaches – hoping I do well. A lot of well-wishers who hope it will open up the door for them to have an opportunity.

'It is unfair, but I am happy that it is unfair because I have got an opportunity.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2541498/Sherwood-warns-Pochettino-Spurs-job-harder-Southampton.html
 
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