Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Well he could've gone like Moyes at Man Utd and done nothing.
Well he could've gone like Moyes at Man Utd and done nothing.
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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/
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Cochise
Steve Carr
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
A good point but still harsh to say that he had nothing to do with their progression after he took over.
A good point but still harsh to say that he had nothing to do with their progression after he took over.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
But that inherently is the challenge with appointing someone with no experience.
In a very simplified view, you appoint a manager based on whatever criteria (pick your flavor of the month), then a few results go south (as will always happen).
- With the amount of money at stake, the board Levy have to look at bad runs and say "can this guy turn it around"?
- With an experienced manager, they/he have a record that you can look at and say, done it before, we can feel justified by giving him some space/time to make it happen
- With absolutely no experience (and no, youth/academy does not count), how are you managing risk? do you get involved (interfere)? how many games is enough, etc.
- As well (especially in England), with no "brand" how much is the media going to ride those bad results, leading to fan discontent, bad game atmosphere, list goes on ..
That as I have mentioned before is my concern re the TS appointment, it's not is he good enough (which is a significant unanswered question), it is the fact that he is highly unlikely ever to be given a fair run, so why do it in the first place?
But that inherently is the challenge with appointing someone with no experience.
In a very simplified view, you appoint a manager based on whatever criteria (pick your flavor of the month), then a few results go south (as will always happen).
- With the amount of money at stake, the board Levy have to look at bad runs and say "can this guy turn it around"?
- With an experienced manager, they/he have a record that you can look at and say, done it before, we can feel justified by giving him some space/time to make it happen
- With absolutely no experience (and no, youth/academy does not count), how are you managing risk? do you get involved (interfere)? how many games is enough, etc.
- As well (especially in England), with no "brand" how much is the media going to ride those bad results, leading to fan discontent, bad game atmosphere, list goes on ..
That as I have mentioned before is my concern re the TS appointment, it's not is he good enough (which is a significant unanswered question), it is the fact that he is highly unlikely ever to be given a fair run, so why do it in the first place?
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
You mean like AVB or Jol?
Santini?
If things don't work out right those questions equally apply to an experienced manager. At least with Sherwood the board has the "interim manager leaves club" to fall back on.
I believe the lack of "brand" may work in his benefit as well, imagine the fallout had we apponted Van Gaal and had a lost 4 record rather than won 4.
I reckon he'll be given as fair a run by Levy and the board as any other manager would be given, after all if he's succesful Levy can say "Hell I'm a genius in appointing him" and if Sherwood fails Levy says "He was only the interim manager until we got someone better" to me that's a win-win situation for Levy.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Camspur, as I said, I have no insight into TS, nor a pre judgment other than lack of knowledge re his management capabilities.
I do however have management experience in hiring people with significant financial pressures to deliver, experience rightly or wrongly is a big part of mitigating the risk of failure (as by the way is ability to work with local culture, settle in quickly, etc.)
Right or wrong, agree or disagree, Levy has taken the biggest managerial risk appointment of his career here.
Camspur, as I said, I have no insight into TS, nor a pre judgment other than lack of knowledge re his management capabilities.
I do however have management experience in hiring people with significant financial pressures to deliver, experience rightly or wrongly is a big part of mitigating the risk of failure (as by the way is ability to work with local culture, settle in quickly, etc.)
Right or wrong, agree or disagree, Levy has taken the biggest managerial risk appointment of his career here.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Which is why I'm convinced TS will be gone unless he performs exceptionally - e.g. delivers top 4. Once the club decides AVB is no longer the man for them, they've not written off the season but they are saying they are in a no lose situation. There's no man with the experienced and suitability to our club available right now, so we either let Tim perform his way into the job properly or we give him until the summer when he is likely to do a decent job until that point, before widening the search.
Which is why I'm convinced TS will be gone unless he performs exceptionally - e.g. delivers top 4. Once the club decides AVB is no longer the man for them, they've not written off the season but they are saying they are in a no lose situation. There's no man with the experienced and suitability to our club available right now, so we either let Tim perform his way into the job properly or we give him until the summer when he is likely to do a decent job until that point, before widening the search.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
So was I; I couldn't see signs that the system was going to click, we were playing poorly without penetration, players seemed confused and were not giving their all in every game.
People have been talking about Sherwood's managerial ability, but I thought he was a head coach? And key people in the game and at Spurs say he is a good head coach and he had good results with the youth teams, coaching them. It is a nice combination with him and Chris Ramsay as Sherwood can do the fronting up to the media and Ramsay can stick to what he's good at too.
So was I; I couldn't see signs that the system was going to click, we were playing poorly without penetration, players seemed confused and were not giving their all in every game.
People have been talking about Sherwood's managerial ability, but I thought he was a head coach? And key people in the game and at Spurs say he is a good head coach and he had good results with the youth teams, coaching them. It is a nice combination with him and Chris Ramsay as Sherwood can do the fronting up to the media and Ramsay can stick to what he's good at too.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Has anyone heard Phil Cornwell's impression of Timmeh on the Spurs Show yet? It is genius.
Has anyone heard Phil Cornwell's impression of Timmeh on the Spurs Show yet? It is genius.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Did he impersonate being our manager, picking up 13 points from a possible 15, scoring 11 goals and conceding 4? if he didn't then i'm not impressed.
Did he impersonate being our manager, picking up 13 points from a possible 15, scoring 11 goals and conceding 4? if he didn't then i'm not impressed.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
An interesting read, if a little lightweight
http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...sherwoods-efforts-at-tottenham-hotspur-so-far
An interesting read, if a little lightweight
http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...sherwoods-efforts-at-tottenham-hotspur-so-far
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Can't they all just shuffle across a bit? :|
this huge gap in the front of the central defenders is what we need to fix quick
Can't they all just shuffle across a bit? :|
metalgear
Luka Modric
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
sure why not ... there's more on the end of this page http://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/na...m_campaign=Feed:+SpursFanatic+(Spurs+Fanatic) (which does have a nice review on bentaleb)
sure why not ... there's more on the end of this page http://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/na...m_campaign=Feed:+SpursFanatic+(Spurs+Fanatic) (which does have a nice review on bentaleb)
lurker of old
Gus Poyet
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
However good Bentaleb is, the sooner we have Sandro back in the team, the better.
However good Bentaleb is, the sooner we have Sandro back in the team, the better.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
That's a still from the 2nd half ...where we're chasing the game. Jeez calm down guys.
That's a still from the 2nd half ...where we're chasing the game. Jeez calm down guys.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Want to see a still of their first when it was 0-0? It's pretty much the same gap.
Want to see a still of their first when it was 0-0? It's pretty much the same gap.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Yep. Results are good but this is an obvious weakness that gets highlighted in every OMT. Sort it Tim.
this huge gap in the front of the central defenders is what we need to fix quick
Yep. Results are good but this is an obvious weakness that gets highlighted in every OMT. Sort it Tim.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I'm sure you can find stills of every team, in every game, where they've been caught in compromising positions/situations.
I'm sure you can find stills of every team, in every game, where they've been caught in compromising positions/situations.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I'm sure you can, but not many leave such a gap between defence and midfield - not in open play. They don't do it as often as us either.
Hopefully Timmeh is just slow at implementing fixes rather than bad a spotting problems, so it might be fixed soon. Either that or they'll just shuffle across a bit.
I'm sure you can, but not many leave such a gap between defence and midfield - not in open play. They don't do it as often as us either.
Hopefully Timmeh is just slow at implementing fixes rather than bad a spotting problems, so it might be fixed soon. Either that or they'll just shuffle across a bit.