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The new, new manager thread - Pt 3

glorygloryeze said:
Hi Grassroots,

You seem to know a lot about FDB, Ajax and Dutch football, so i'm interested in your views on the following:

- how is FDB's style of football (and the way he's likely to implement it with us) be different from how AVB tried to implement his Porto style both at Chelski and with us?
- Defensively, how do FDB's methods compre with AVB's?
- Will we be better offensively overall but worse defensively overall?
- Who of Ade, Kane and Soldado would FDB find most key in his preferred system(s)?
- Has FDB ever started a game playing two strikers? If so, how often would he do this in a typical season?
- Who of our CMs would be most 'at risk' of not getting games in FDB's preferred system?
- I have visions of us being too open away at the likes of Stamford Bridge, Anfield and the Emirates: please take time to tell me why I needn't worry about that (so much)!- Assuming we don't buy in any more CBs (and that Kaboul is not crocked for good) who do you think will be our first choice CB pairing?
- What makes FDB different to Neil Lennon?
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This is my biggest worry about De Boer, for all of his "4 titles in a row", which i'm not sniffing at, there are some very AVB like worries for me, when you see mixed in with the routine league wins and some good individual CL performances, stuff like getting mullered 5-1 against a team i'd barely heard of in the Dutch cup final, getting their asses handed to them 4 or 5-0 away to PSV, Getting spanked 6-1 on aggregate by an Austrian team in the Europa League.

I am going to try and find an article that I read a while ago, but it was actually an analysis of F De Boer's tactics at Ajax and they ran through all the positives and stuff, and then there was a negatives bit and it pointed out games where their "high line" had gone wrong and was exposed. I think there was a (narrow) defeat to Feyenoord where it said both goals came from simple balls over the top into space for Feyenoord's pacey strikers to run onto.

I just have less confidence in De Boer's tactics being successfully transplanted to the Premiership, especially in 'tougher' or 'crunch' games. I have my worries about De Boer's record in these crunch games, and about his employing of a high line. He seems very adept at creating a formula that means Ajax beat the teams they should beat consistently, but its seems that when De Boer's tactics go wrong, they go VERY wrong. Which is very similar to AVB.
 
braineclipse said:
Please point me to the posters you think are arguing this case.

I cannot remember a single person in this thread using Southampton's 8th place finish this season as the main selling point for Poch.
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Then what is ?

He might bring shaw llallalana and rodrigues ?
Please do explain
 
Grassroots said:
I will answer where I can tonight as on phone but will say franks system is nothing like avbs at tottenham or chelsea its about taking risks for reward score first defend second .
neil lennon :D naaaaaa
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So why does Neil Lennon get a ":D naaaaaa"? But FdB is the man we have to get? Both are successful managing in 2nd rate one team leagues and the only difference between the two in Europe is that Neil Lennon has managed to take his side past the CL group stage unlike FdB. It's purely appearance and perception. FdB is Dutch and has played for Barcelona, whereas Neil Lennon's a ginger Northern Irish bloke who played for Leicester City.
 
billyiddo said:
holland is not a one team league
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So surely as the poster said Lennon's achievement of taking Celtic past the CL group stages is even more impressive, given their squad on paper compared to Ajax's and also the competitiveness of their domestic league?
 
NWND said:
So surely as the poster said Lennon's achievement of taking Celtic past the CL group stages is even more impressive, given their squad on paper compared to Ajax's and also the competitiveness of their domestic league?
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taking Celtic past the group stages is a great achievement. not sure how one goes about comparing it to how other sides get on against different opponents under different circumstances though
 
Thing as well about De Boer is that people seem to be telling me that Ajax shouldn't have won the dutch league and that they have to sell their best players every summer and that his titles are against all odds, yet the seem people seem to want us to buy half of Ajax's squad if De Boer gets the job and seem to be excited by that.
 
NWND said:
Thing as well about De Boer is that people seem to be telling me that Ajax shouldn't have won the dutch league and that they have to sell their best players every summer and that his titles are against all odds, yet the seem people seem to want us to buy half of Ajax's squad if De Boer gets the job and seem to be excited by that.
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Probably the same people who said Christian Eriksen isn't good enough, they don't know what they want.
 
I don't understand how anyone can post with any certainty about any of the candidates. To me, all of them carry risks.
 
[NaE=Rossi22;559610]So why does Neil Lennon get a ":D naaaaaa"? But FdB is the man we have to get? Both are successful managing in 2nd rate one team leagues and the only difference between the two in Europe is that Neil Lennon has managed to take his side past the CL group stage unlike FdB. It's purely appearance and perception. FdB is Dutch and has played for Barcelona, whereas Neil Lennon's a ginger Northern Irish bloke who played for Leicester City.[/QUOTE]

Obviously getting a bit personal for you mate I might be a ginger northern bloke for all you know and you obviously have never been wrong in your life im at work and don't really have the time or the inclination to have a argument with somebody who is right regardless so your right you win I know naff all I just picked him because of he's superior teeth they are very white and if im honest im a little bit envious

Come on poch GHod hes good the messiah ;)
 
On one hand you have Rafa Benitez waiting for a call, a proven winner in England, Spain, Italy and in European competition but instead we want half the team and manager of a side who got trounced 6-1 by Salzburg. Only at Spurs.
 
Rossi22 said:
On one hand you have Rafa Benitez waiting for a call, a proven winner in England, Spain, Italy and in European competition but instead we want half the team and manager of a side who got trounced 6-1 by Salzburg. Only at Spurs.
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I agree with Rossi.
 
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