The new, new manager thread - Pt 3

[Baleforce]

No one will be clamouring for him though despite having the same credentials as FdB.

i don't fancy him solely because I don't think wining with celtic proves anything, they have had good performances in the cl mind

wouldn't be at all surprised if Levy has a sniff though, he has to tick "angry scot" off in his eye-spy manager book

 

[NWND]

i don't fancy him solely because I don't think wining with celtic proves anything, they have had good performances in the cl mind

wouldn't be at all surprised if Levy has a sniff though, he has to tick "angry scot" off in his eye-spy manager book

So are you against De Boer?

 

[Seedy Ron]

(He's Irish, Gale )

 

[Kingdawson]

Norwich presumably

or WBA.

 

[Baleforce]

(He's Irish, Gale )

doh, in my head i was thinking angry celt but still typed it wrong

 

[Baleforce]

So are you against De Boer?

nope, there is some competition in Holland

 

[NWND]

Yeah, the board were always going to interview De Boer (if he wanted the interview, which he clearly did). From ITK we met with Pochettino last week but couldn't meet De Boer until this week due to Ajax's post-season tour.

So it follows we were going to interview him this week then make a decision either later on this week or next week.

I believe the choice the board are making are between these two as I don't see us realistically going for anyone else.

It makes me laugh that the standard ran a story saying we were closing in on Pochettino as Southampton were making descrete enquiries into who could be their next boss. Well they'd be stupid not to do so if there was even a remote possibility of Pochettino leaving. Doesn't mean it has been decided or even remotely close to being decided.

 

[Grassroots]

eQUOTE=Rossi22;559570]I have no opinion on FdB so I don't know what I'm going to be totally and utterly wrong about. I just think people like him because he's the least familiar rather than having extensive knowledge about the guy. Most just see a name and run with it.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure that's what they are doing ?

Surely the more familiar is poch as he is already here and doing a ok job no ?

They may be basing there opinion on the fact that he is highly regarded by professionals throughout europe and the fact that he just keeps on winning things as player and manager even with a inferior squad.

its a tad of a disservice to just presume none of us have a scooby doo

 

[Rossi22]

The main positives I see from FdB coming in are purely indirect.

- probably our best bet to keep Vertonghen and get him motivated again
- has worked with Eriksen
- could help us get dibs on the next big Ajax players(Zivkovic, Fischer etc)

Winning the Dutch league a few times doesn't really register with me, nor does having a catchy acronym.

 

[braineclipse]

Are you sure that's what they are doing ?

Surely the more familiar is poch as he is already here and doing a ok job no ?

They may be basing there opinion on the fact that he is highly regarded by professionals throughout europe and the fact that he just keeps on winning things as player and manager even with a inferior squad.

its a tad of a disservice to just presume none of us have a scooby doo

I think you misread Rossi? He said "the least familiar".

By the way, odds from before the season posted in the Spanish football thread had Ajax as favourites to win the league.

 

[NWND]

nope, there is some competition in Holland

There is more than in Scotland, i'll give you that. But i'd hardly say it was the most competitive competition. I'm just interested in your disregarding of Lennon's managerial credentials based on winning titles in an uncompetitive environment mixed with some by your own admission, good Champions League results in individual games.

Surely his record is very comparable to De Boer's in this respect, just at a slightly lower level?

Interestingly, Neil Lennon's Celtic and Frank De Boer's Ajax met in the Champions League, with the following results:

Ajax 1 - 0 Celtic
Celtic 2 - 1 Ajax

All even then?

 

[billyiddo]

The main positives I see from FdB coming in are purely indirect.

- probably our best bet to keep Vertonghen and get him motivated again
- has worked with Eriksen
- could help us get dibs on the next big Ajax players(Zivkovic, Fischer etc)

Winning the Dutch league a few times doesn't really register with me, nor does having a catchy acronym.

so if he hadn't won the league with Ajax would you have been equally ambivalent? were Ajax favorites every season to win the title? im pretty sure they were not in his first and most recent season.

 

[clownfoot]

It makes me laugh that the standard ran a story saying we were closing in on Pochettino as Southampton were making descrete enquiries into who could be their next boss. Well they'd be stupid not to do so if there was even a remote possibility of Pochettino leaving. Doesn't mean it has been decided or even remotely close to being decided.

Reportedly, even if he doesn't become our next manager, Pochettino is set to leave Southampton regardless

 

[glorygloryeze]

I know lots about him and believe it or not I would stake money on you both being completely and utterly wrong.
have followed Ajax for roughly 15 years and have a general interest in Dutch football
Watch as much as I can and I really believe he is the real deal.

I understand what you are saying but its based on guessing and conjecture just so similar to the overbearing amount of he's going to be amazing stuff I read about avb last time around.
unless you believe that you have exstensive
knowledge of how the guy works and have watched he's teams play and understood what they are doing.
if that's the case then you're opinion is based on what you have seen and know and fair enough.
you tube and harry hotspur or whatever is not enough.

Hi Grassroots,

You seem to know a lot about FDB, Ajax and Dutch football, so i'm interested in your views on the following:

- how is FDB's style of football (and the way he's likely to implement it with us) be different from how AVB tried to implement his Porto style both at Chelski and with us?
- Defensively, how do FDB's methods compre with AVB's?
- Will we be better offensively overall but worse defensively overall?
- Who of Ade, Kane and Soldado would FDB find most key in his preferred system(s)?
- Has FDB ever started a game playing two strikers? If so, how often would he do this in a typical season?
- Who of our CMs would be most 'at risk' of not getting games in FDB's preferred system?
- I have visions of us being too open away at the likes of Stamford Bridge, Anfield and the Emirates: please take time to tell me why I needn't worry about that (so much)!
- Assuming we don't buy in any more CBs (and that Kaboul is not crocked for good) who do you think will be our first choice CB pairing?
- What makes FDB different to Neil Lennon?

 

[billyiddo]

well i think one things is for sure, whoever we appoint there is going to be a big divide on here over whether it was the right appointment and a lot of 'i told you so's' should it not work out

 

[Mumorn]

The main positives I see from FdB coming in are purely indirect.

- probably our best bet to keep Vertonghen and get him motivated again
- has worked with Eriksen
- could help us get dibs on the next big Ajax players(Zivkovic, Fischer etc)

Winning the Dutch league a few times doesn't really register with me, nor does having a catchy acronym.

I think the top two are good enough to get him in. Those two are quite easily our best players. It'd be a great sign on intent to go and get Lloris a new contract on the day a new manager is announced too. There are some tremendous Dutch talents out there, the likes of Martins Indi, Clasie, Blind, Depay, Vilenha, Klaasen, Maher etc. and maybe de Boer can utilize that market, none are big names and perhaps wont be as expensive as the finished article.

 

[Grassroots]

The main positives I see from FdB coming in are purely indirect.

- probably our best bet to keep Vertonghen and get him motivated again
- has worked with Eriksen
- could help us get dibs on the next big Ajax players(Zivkovic, Fischer etc)

Winning the Dutch league a few times doesn't really register with me, nor does having a catchy acronym.

But finishing 8th as your main selling point does ?

Or maybe I now do you a mis service and you are in the raffa camp ?
Just like you with Frankie I can not for the life of me see why poch would be better than frank (no acronym)
And the few titles were quite a big deal trust me on that especially the last one.

 

[Baleforce]

There is more than in Scotland, i'll give you that. But i'd hardly say it was the most competitive competition. I'm just interested in your disregarding of Lennon's managerial credentials based on winning titles in an uncompetitive environment mixed with some by your own admission, good Champions League results in individual games.

Surely his record is very comparable to De Boer's in this respect, just at a slightly lower level?

Interestingly, Neil Lennon's Celtic and Frank De Boer's Ajax met in the Champions League, with the following results:

Ajax 1 - 0 Celtic
Celtic 2 - 1 Ajax

All even then?

i'm not disregarding him, just don't fancy it, if i was making the decision it wouldn't be FdB either, it would be Benitez

 

[braineclipse]

But finishing 8th as your main selling point does ?

Or maybe I now do you a mis service and you are in the raffa camp ?
Just like you with Frankie I can not for the life of me see why poch would be better than frank (no acronym)
And the few titles were quite a big deal trust me on that especially the last one.

Please point me to the posters you think are arguing this case.

I cannot remember a single person in this thread using Southampton's 8th place finish this season as the main selling point for Poch.

 

[Grassroots]

Hi Grassroots,

You seem to know a lot about FDB, Ajax and Dutch football, so i'm interested in your views on the following:

- how is FDB's style of football (and the way he's likely to implement it with us) be different from how AVB tried to implement his Porto style both at Chelski and with us?
- Defensively, how do FDB's methods compre with AVB's?
- Will we be better offensively overall but worse defensively overall?
- Who of Ade, Kane and Soldado would FDB find most key in his preferred system(s)?
- Has FDB ever started a game playing two strikers? If so, how often would he do this in a typical season?
- Who of our CMs would be most 'at risk' of not getting games in FDB's preferred system?
- I have visions of us being too open away at the likes of Stamford Bridge, Anfield and the Emirates: please take time to tell me why I needn't worry about that (so much)!
- Assuming we don't buy in any more CBs (and that Kaboul is not crocked for good) who do you think will be our first choice CB pairing?
- What makes FDB different to Neil Lennon?

I will answer where I can tonight as on phone but will say franks system is nothing like avbs at tottenham or chelsea its about taking risks for reward score first defend second .
neil lennon naaaaaa