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'Soldier beheaded' outside barracks in Woolwich
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Kingdawson
Banned
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
what about the comparison that the media seem to be having a fantastic time referring to this a "terrorist attack" yet the same media outlets thought the best way to describe Anders breivik's attacks as that of a psychopath?
what about the comparison that the media seem to be having a fantastic time referring to this a "terrorist attack" yet the same media outlets thought the best way to describe Anders breivik's attacks as that of a psychopath?
Crawley
Board Legend
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
Thought you wouldn't.
Look, the word justify may not convey what I was looking for when I posted that in the middle of a night shift last night.
However, there are those, who seem to solely want to put this down to the actions of someone mentally dsiturbed or on drugs.
Personally, I refuse to accept that.
I've been quite moderate in my posts in this thread so far, but to me and many others, this crime was carried out in the name of Islam, whether Islam backed it or not, and therefore those trying to blame it on drugs or mental condition are just wrong, and it smacks of a type of justification for the act.
Thought you wouldn't.
Look, the word justify may not convey what I was looking for when I posted that in the middle of a night shift last night.
However, there are those, who seem to solely want to put this down to the actions of someone mentally dsiturbed or on drugs.
Personally, I refuse to accept that.
I've been quite moderate in my posts in this thread so far, but to me and many others, this crime was carried out in the name of Islam, whether Islam backed it or not, and therefore those trying to blame it on drugs or mental condition are just wrong, and it smacks of a type of justification for the act.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
Okay, I will accept that, but I was incenced when I read the word "justify" because clearly nobody who has posted on this thread in any way endorses what these scumbags have done.
Okay, I will accept that, but I was incenced when I read the word "justify" because clearly nobody who has posted on this thread in any way endorses what these scumbags have done.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
That would be far more appropriate than comparing this incident vs. Dale Cregan.
That would be far more appropriate than comparing this incident vs. Dale Cregan.
Gordinho
Banned
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
I think Crawley used the word justify because he couldn't spell the word rationalise.
I think Crawley used the word justify because he couldn't spell the word rationalise.
Gordinho
Banned
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
He is vermin and a stain upon society.
He is vermin and a stain upon society.
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
yep agree with that, too many people want to pussy foot around and refuse to even think that it was an Islamist led murder. Im afraid to say but there is too much lea way given to facilitate islam. To try and apply sharia law to non muslims in the uk then fudge right off
yep agree with that, too many people want to pussy foot around and refuse to even think that it was an Islamist led murder. Im afraid to say but there is too much lea way given to facilitate islam. To try and apply sharia law to non muslims in the uk then fudge right off
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
You're right. There is an obvious difference. It's clear these guys had a political and religious agenda. It seems the more and more that comes out, it does sound as though they were extremists. My initial thoughts were they had nothing to do with Islam but once more soiled the religion by shouting GHod is great. Their motivations, no matter how deluded they appear to us, were of course politically motivated.
You're right. There is an obvious difference. It's clear these guys had a political and religious agenda. It seems the more and more that comes out, it does sound as though they were extremists. My initial thoughts were they had nothing to do with Islam but once more soiled the religion by shouting GHod is great. Their motivations, no matter how deluded they appear to us, were of course politically motivated.
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
Yes but let's not tar all with the same brush. The KKK never represented white Christians. Or as twitter put it: "Blaming all Muslims for what happened yesterday is like blaming all Jimmy's for what Saville did." And conversely terrorists/extremists are insane to think this eye for an eye thing works. The media, as always have an important role to play
Two weeks ago an elderly pakistani man was killed in Birmingham in what was believed to be a racially motivated attack, but there was little media coverage or outrage on here.
Point is we need to keep our heads' and see that these are the actions of insane people.
Yes but let's not tar all with the same brush. The KKK never represented white Christians. Or as twitter put it: "Blaming all Muslims for what happened yesterday is like blaming all Jimmy's for what Saville did." And conversely terrorists/extremists are insane to think this eye for an eye thing works. The media, as always have an important role to play
Two weeks ago an elderly pakistani man was killed in Birmingham in what was believed to be a racially motivated attack, but there was little media coverage or outrage on here.
Point is we need to keep our heads' and see that these are the actions of insane people.
Gordinho
Banned
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
The victim has been named as Lee Rigby
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22644857
The victim has been named as Lee Rigby
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22644857
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
In fact, was there any thread on this whatsoever (for the people earlier saying what people on here would be saying if the roles were reversed? Very little it seems)?
Was there any thread on the shooting of 19 innocent people in New Orleans, including 2 kids during a mothers' day celebration 11 days ago, that the FBI were falling over themselves immediately after to say was not an act of terrorism? The difference on coverage of this in the USA with a certain other recent event was interesting. Anyway....
Sounds like the EDL are keeping themselves busy. Helping to keep the safety of Woolwich by drawing police in large numbers away from their normal jobs and throwing stones and bottles at them. Stellar.
I have a friend who's moving to Australia soon. Immediately after this, he said he was so happy about going because he wouldn't have to deal with dingdongheads like this anymore and because he knew what the response of sections of the rest of the population would be. Can't say I blame him.
In fact, was there any thread on this whatsoever (for the people earlier saying what people on here would be saying if the roles were reversed? Very little it seems)?
Was there any thread on the shooting of 19 innocent people in New Orleans, including 2 kids during a mothers' day celebration 11 days ago, that the FBI were falling over themselves immediately after to say was not an act of terrorism? The difference on coverage of this in the USA with a certain other recent event was interesting. Anyway....
Sounds like the EDL are keeping themselves busy. Helping to keep the safety of Woolwich by drawing police in large numbers away from their normal jobs and throwing stones and bottles at them. Stellar.
I have a friend who's moving to Australia soon. Immediately after this, he said he was so happy about going because he wouldn't have to deal with dingdongheads like this anymore and because he knew what the response of sections of the rest of the population would be. Can't say I blame him.
Crawley
Board Legend
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
Then yes, there is a media problem, because I for one had heard nothing about that.
I remember a time when ANY murder, no matter the reason, or who was involved, was front-page news for days.
Now it seems the latest celeb to show a glimpse of arse is far more important.
Crying shame.
Then yes, there is a media problem, because I for one had heard nothing about that.
I remember a time when ANY murder, no matter the reason, or who was involved, was front-page news for days.
Now it seems the latest celeb to show a glimpse of arse is far more important.
Crying shame.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
Again, thoughts go out to his family. I desperately hope the police got to them first and told them the news rather than them watching it on ITV news or on twitter.
Again, thoughts go out to his family. I desperately hope the police got to them first and told them the news rather than them watching it on ITV news or on twitter.
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
People always believe the media. Not everything gets reported.
Israel continuously gets missiles sent in and does nothing. When they do retaliate its all over the news. Most would not know that for months Israel put up with it.
As far as this beheading story it was racially motivated so it is a terrorist attack.
People always believe the media. Not everything gets reported.
Israel continuously gets missiles sent in and does nothing. When they do retaliate its all over the news. Most would not know that for months Israel put up with it.
As far as this beheading story it was racially motivated so it is a terrorist attack.
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
Well it is up to norway how they classify terrorism I can make my own mind up thanka and thia incident ia terrorrism, and racially motivated
Well it is up to norway how they classify terrorism I can make my own mind up thanka and thia incident ia terrorrism, and racially motivated
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Re: 'Soldier beheaded' oustide barracks in Woolwich
Well, given the news reports it appears I am wrong and that he HAS links to a radical muslim group, but ask yourself HONESTLY if what little we know about this macaron leads you to believe he was a practicing muslim. Look at him. Listen to him. He sounds like a stupid south London hoodrat who simply wants to be as anti-social and aggressive as possible in the name of a 'cause' or 'minority'. He is most likely mentally ill and he is without a doubt someone who needs to be kept far off the streets.
Do radical islamic groups fill me with joy? Of course not. Would I like to see them broken up? Absolutely. Do the EDL fill me with joy? Of course not. Would I like to see them quietened? Absolutely.
Do I believe that people in Britain should respect the British way of life? Absolutely.
We have many issues afoot here, and I agree wholeheartedly that minority groups who cloister themselves away from British life, and ways, are most unhelpful when it comes to arresting social polarization. If I lived in Spain I would expect to learn some Spanish and adhere to certain Spanish customs. I wouldn't cease to be an Englishman, but I'd make an effort to mix with a culture quite different to mine which I had chosen. In that sense, I agree that minority groups should address the more 'polarized' or 'radical' in their communities.
This clown shoe? And his clown shoe 'friend'? Sorry mate, they could've said they were doing it in the name of Marvin the Martian and it would've held more weight. Yes he was known to the radical sect, but he was (IMO) a delusional, confused, mentally unstable young man who simply blurred the lines between 'thug life' and radicalism.
I won't be judging the Muslim faith on this taco.
Again, apologies to you and others for being wrong in my initial thoughts that he had nothing to do with radical sects, but I still believe spiritually, he has nothing to do with muslims.
So sorry for the victim...
Well, given the news reports it appears I am wrong and that he HAS links to a radical muslim group, but ask yourself HONESTLY if what little we know about this macaron leads you to believe he was a practicing muslim. Look at him. Listen to him. He sounds like a stupid south London hoodrat who simply wants to be as anti-social and aggressive as possible in the name of a 'cause' or 'minority'. He is most likely mentally ill and he is without a doubt someone who needs to be kept far off the streets.
Do radical islamic groups fill me with joy? Of course not. Would I like to see them broken up? Absolutely. Do the EDL fill me with joy? Of course not. Would I like to see them quietened? Absolutely.
Do I believe that people in Britain should respect the British way of life? Absolutely.
We have many issues afoot here, and I agree wholeheartedly that minority groups who cloister themselves away from British life, and ways, are most unhelpful when it comes to arresting social polarization. If I lived in Spain I would expect to learn some Spanish and adhere to certain Spanish customs. I wouldn't cease to be an Englishman, but I'd make an effort to mix with a culture quite different to mine which I had chosen. In that sense, I agree that minority groups should address the more 'polarized' or 'radical' in their communities.
This clown shoe? And his clown shoe 'friend'? Sorry mate, they could've said they were doing it in the name of Marvin the Martian and it would've held more weight. Yes he was known to the radical sect, but he was (IMO) a delusional, confused, mentally unstable young man who simply blurred the lines between 'thug life' and radicalism.
I won't be judging the Muslim faith on this taco.
Again, apologies to you and others for being wrong in my initial thoughts that he had nothing to do with radical sects, but I still believe spiritually, he has nothing to do with muslims.
So sorry for the victim...