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milo said:
The Tories look like losers, the public do not have a lot of tolerance for losers hanging around. May's government already feel to me like the fag end Major government. If Labour can avoid massive fudge ups and pull together, I think that they are in prime position when the election comes.
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Yep I would think Labour will win the next election now, they have the student vote out and the youth will stay out voting till they realise that spend spend is not the answer.

I am interested in politics but I do not think I want another election or anything remotely political going on for a bit. It should be like it used to be, when we had a Labour government with Blair in charge people like me would moan they spent to much. Or when the is a tory government the lefties moaning about benefit cuts to scroungers. But frankly the is just to much politics for me.

Am going to enjoy the athletics in London in the summer, our holiday to Italy and the start of the football season, politics can do one till conference season for me. Forgot the hopeful return of Mark Cavendish this summer in the Tour.
 
Parklaner81 said:
Again, I'm not disagreeing. Perception is everything, and this is going to be a massive problem for them.

At the same time, they also took their highest share of the vote since 1979, and pulled nearly 2.5 million more votes than they did under 'majority' Dave Cameron two years ago.

Just some alternative facts ;)
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It means like brick if they look like losers and they look like losers. It will get worse from here..
 
the dza said:
I think they will surprise you, there's a lot of motivation to vote for Corbyn's policies amongst younger voters. We'll just have to see, but I don't see them going anywhere just yet, I think if there's another election in the next few months, they will turn out again.
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milo said:
Long term maybe but in the short term the tuition fees pledge will stick and I think that was the deciding factor.

What this result does mean is that the Tories will not be able to bring in the change to make people show ID in order to vote which was a clear attempt at vote suppression.
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The SNP not only offered but delivered in tuition fees plus a lot more in Scotland, didn't help them last night.
Who is to say that after turning out in unprecedented numbers and not winning the student vote won't go back to the sulk of why bother no one listens to us.
Not saying they will, not saying they won't but a lot of labour castles being built if not on sand then sift ground.
I think we should remember 2 days ago Tories were accused of hubris, looks like labour maybe tipping that way.
 
Parklaner81 said:
On the surface, maybe. But facts are still facts. And like it or not, the facts I referred to make them by far the biggest party, even after Jezza performing out of his skin.
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They are left with not enough MPs to govern effectively. Whoever won this election was unlikely to be able to deliver much other than Brexit but this government might even struggle to do that. The British public will punish them, when they go to the polls, if they limp on as a lame duck government.
 
glasgowspur said:
The SNP not only offered but delivered in tuition fees plus a lot more in Scotland, didn't help them last night.
Who is to say that after turning out in unprecedented numbers and not winning the student vote won't go back to the sulk of why bother no one listens to us.
Not saying they will, not saying they won't but a lot of labour castles being built if not on sand then sift ground.
I think we should remember 2 days ago Tories were accused of hubris, looks like labour maybe tipping that way.
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The SNP are an incumbent Scottish government, defending a very high position from the 2015 general election and trying to push for another independence referendum with at best 50% support in Scotland. I think that Labours position is very different.
 
I'm reading this at the moment.

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It's really good and an easy read. I'd be happy to chuck it in the post to someone, if you'd be interested in reading it when I am finished.
 
milo said:
The SNP are an incumbent Scottish government, defending a very high position from the 2015 general election and trying to push for another independence referendum with at best 50% support in Scotland. I think that Labours position is very different.
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Quite correct is what you state, the key is what you are either leaving out or ignoring, SNP rode to that position at least partially on the very voters labour are now staking their future on.
It's way to early to plan on the youth and/or student vote returning in similar numbers.
 
glasgowspur said:
Quite correct is what you state, the key is what you are either leaving out or ignoring, SNP rode to that position at least partially on the very voters labour are now staking their future on.
It's way to early to plan on the youth and/or student vote returning in similar numbers.
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I get that but Labour made gains in this election with marginal inroads in Scotland. If there is further dissatisfaction with the SNP and the Tories start ripping themselves apart then there is the potential for Labour to start re-establishing itself in Scotland.

Holding onto the youth vote in England may be difficult and could depend on the timing of elections but I cannot see the Tories being able to pledge scrapping tuition fees or Labour ditching the pledge. I see that as the turning point with the young vote in England.
 
parklane1 said:
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Of course he never won but he made a few look really foolish with some of their comments about him, sooner or later some folks are going to have to get their heads out of the sand, take a look around their closed lives and see that there are big areas of civilisation that are getting sick to death of the " Staus Quo' and demand change.
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This is where people go wrong.

They don't need to 'get their head out of the sand' and realise people are sick to death

Well all those results i posted still baffle folks, you would think some may have sussed by now that those who voted for them results are not all mad. Change is needed and its those that can not see it who have their "heads in the sand".

Sorry about the formatting i have no idea why its come out like that. o_O
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Think that's my fault @parklane1 ......I was gonna be writing a much much longer reply than that, but got distracted and then forgot to delete that little bit I had written and also lost the focus of my masterpiece:)...sorry.
 
glasgowspur said:
The SNP not only offered but delivered in tuition fees plus a lot more in Scotland, didn't help them last night.
Who is to say that after turning out in unprecedented numbers and not winning the student vote won't go back to the sulk of why bother no one listens to us.
Not saying they will, not saying they won't but a lot of labour castles being built if not on sand then sift ground.
I think we should remember 2 days ago Tories were accused of hubris, looks like labour maybe tipping that way.
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I agree with this. I think Corbyn did well to mobilise the young, momentum's drive on social media played a big part in this. He also did well on the campaign trail. But Corbyn was presented with an open goal by a Tory party yet again more concerned with its own internal politics than the country and a campaign so incompetent it puts David Moyes' last season at Sunderland in a favourable light.

Here's the thing, the Labour Party "triumph" mirrors Tottenham's last season. A glorious second place finish against the odds. The problem is I don't feel particularly triumphant; I am a Labour Party member still faced with a Tory administration I despise who have caused one of the worst constitutional crises this country has ever faced and have rained austerity on ordinary people. Corbyn needs to widen his support and give the impression to middle aged people like me that he is competent to run a Government. This is the third election we have not won and I can't help thinking the Tories won't be so incompetent next time. Sorry if I am raining on people's parade much as I respect the opinions of the corbynistas on this board.
 
Well. well. well. I wonder what our good friends at the Sun and the Daily Mail will make of this, because they are such standard bearers of national security? What would their reaction be, if Labour got into bed with a political party with associations with terrorist groups...gasp! The silence will be deafening from them about the DUP. Shows them up for the hypocrites they are. Hey Scara, do you approve of this? What about the bigoted views of these people towards gays?
 
Robspur12 said:
I agree with this. I think Corbyn did well to mobilise the young, momentum's drive on social media played a big part in this. He also did well on the campaign trail. But Corbyn was presented with an open goal by a Tory party yet again more concerned with its own internal politics than the country and a campaign so incompetent it puts David Moyes' last season at Sunderland in a favourable light.

Here's the thing, the Labour Party "triumph" mirrors Tottenham's last season. A glorious second place finish against the odds. The problem is I don't feel particularly triumphant; I am a Labour Party member still faced with a Tory administration I despise who have caused one of the worst constitutional crises this country has ever faced and have rained austerity on ordinary people. Corbyn needs to widen his support and give the impression to middle aged people like me that he is competent to run a Government. This is the third election we have not won and I can't help thinking the Tories won't be so incompetent next time. Sorry if I am raining on people's parade much as I respect the opinions of the corbynistas on this board.
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Totally agree.
But look at where Spurs and Labour have come back from in a very relatively short space of time.
Both will sink or swim on the decisions they make going forward, not rocket science there!
Labour sadly will still stay very narrow in their general appeal as Corbyn will cling to kingship at all cost.
Spurs are doing OK, but are on a long road....
 
the dza said:
Also, I'm not sure how socially liberal Tories such as our very own @scaramanga will feel about certain policy decisions being potentially dictated by the DUP, given their track record on gay rights, abortion etc.

I can't see May lasting long tbh.
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Not a fan at all.

As has already been mentioned, economically competent, socially liberal Conservatives are thin on the ground.

If I didn't dislike the electorate quite so much I'd get back into politics myself.
 
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