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[the dza]

Ohh dangerous territory there. The perception of potential SNP coalitions didn't go down too well with voters last time...

I think that changes for two reasons: 1. Indyref2 is dead now, they won't push it imo. 2. Tories going along with the DUP can be spun to say what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

The usual rags will try, but Corbyn is proving kryptonite to the likes of The Sun/Mail etc.

 

[the dza]

I wouldn't count on the youth vote again, the SNP thought they had it locked in after the indyref but they've melted away.

I think they will surprise you, there's a lot of motivation to vote for Corbyn's policies amongst younger voters. We'll just have to see, but I don't see them going anywhere just yet, I think if there's another election in the next few months, they will turn out again.

 

[milo]

Maybe, but i should imagine that those who want her out now are some of those that voted her into the job in the first place.

Against a really brick field and it ended up being a coronation. If she goes in the next couple of weeks, they need a proper contest over the summer, so that her successor is battle hardened.

 

[milo]

I wouldn't count on the youth vote again, the SNP thought they had it locked in after the indyref but they've melted away.

Long term maybe but in the short term the tuition fees pledge will stick and I think that was the deciding factor.

What this result does mean is that the Tories will not be able to bring in the change to make people show ID in order to vote which was a clear attempt at vote suppression.

 

[Parklaner81]

I wouldn't count on the youth vote again, the SNP thought they had it locked in after the indyref but they've melted away.

I'd like you to be right, but the subtle £30k+ per person bribe will likely prove powerful again...

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Well then, other than a majority, this is the best possible result for Labour. Corbyn has shown himself to be a top notch campaigner and vote winner, he has energised the base, grown the membership and got the youth vote out. People underestimated him, but he showed tremendous personal strength and resilience, when under pressure that most of us could only ever imagine. These are the qualities that real leaders need and Corbyn has them in spades! Labour has won about thirty extra seats, made some recovery in Scotland and are now within striking distance of the forces of darkness in newly created knife edge Tory marginal seats across the country. Corbyn now has moral authority and those RWNJ attacks on him will have less impact.

Meanwhile back over at the Death Star...May is finished, the next great white hope Bonzo Boris has zero credibility, their base is literally dying off, they have to face tough Brexit negotiations, they are relying on DUP to stay in office (what will the price be?) the economy is slowing and...Labour don't really have to do much, other than to get the pop corn in. This was a pretty good election to come second in methinks.

Yours truly Neil Kinnock 1992.

 

[milo]

The usual rags will try, but Corbyn is proving kryptonite to the likes of The Sun/Mail etc.

His voters do not read them. Let's hope their decline is permanent.

Can this parliament force Leveson 2?

 

[milo]

I'd like you to be right, but the subtle £30k+ per person bribe will likely prove powerful again...

Would you really like to see the youth vote disenfranchised? A pretty depressing way to win if you do.

Are bribes for the youth vote any worse than the bribes to the pensioners that Cameron put in two manifestos?

 

[parklane1]

parklane1 said: ↑
Of course he never won but he made a few look really foolish with some of their comments about him, sooner or later some folks are going to have to get their heads out of the sand, take a look around their closed lives and see that there are big areas of civilisation that are getting sick to death of the " Staus Quo' and demand change.
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This is where people go wrong.

They don't need to 'get their head out of the sand' and realise people are sick to death

Well all those results i posted still baffle folks, you would think some may have sussed by now that those who voted for them results are not all mad. Change is needed and its those that can not see it who have their "heads in the sand".

Sorry about the formatting i have no idea why its come out like that.

 

[Parklaner81]

I think that changes for two reasons: 1. Indyref2 is dead now, they won't push it imo. 2. Tories going along with the DUP can be spun to say what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

What about the returning UKIP-leaning Labour voters? They aren't going to wear this...

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

that we have to negotiate means the situation is already chaotic

we can wait as long as we want to start negotiations, but the end date is set in stone

Or reset it... with another referendum.

 

[parklane1]

Against a really brick field and it ended up being a coronation. If she goes in the next couple of weeks, they need a proper contest over the summer, so that her successor is battle hardened.

You may be right but i do not think she will go in the next couple of weeks. The whole set up is fudged at the moment and the last thing we need is another sodding election.

 

[parklane1]

Or reset it... with another referendum.

The losers will love that.

 

[r-u-s-x01]

I'd like you to be right, but the subtle £30k+ per person bribe will likely prove powerful again...

Tax cuts for top rate earners, bribes?

 

[7percent]

I don't see how May can run for another election and I can really see a coalition with the DUP failing, so who would run as leader? and can they steady the ship and make more gains?

The promise of a referendum was a tory gamble, not in the national interest, to outright win the election.
This snap election was a gamble, not in the national interest, to take further seats
Any election called by the tories soon, I think, will just make the electorate a bit tired of them.

 

[Baleforce]

Or reset it... with another referendum.

we'd have to revoke article 50 first, which would be challenged, we'd need the EU27 to give us the thumbs up to

(says a bloke with no legal training whatsoever who read conflicting things on the internet)

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

You may be right but i do not think she will go in the next couple of weeks. The whole set up is fudged at the moment and the last thing we need is another sodding election.

Get over it.

It's coming.

 

[the dza]

What about the returning UKIP-leaning Labour voters? They aren't going to wear this...

They already did, the "coalition of chaos" was not as important to Red Ukippers as other issues.

Labour wouldn't even need anything formal with the SNP, as long as the numbers were right. But I don't see any way the SNP would enable a Tory government at the expense of a Labour one. They did this before and it set them back a generation. And nowadays, their big pitch and reason for wanting independence is so as not to be ruled by Tories.

It doesn't need a major gain for Labour to make this possible. And that's if they'd even need it because maybe they could win a small majority next time. Who knows?

 

[the dza]

Saw an interesting graphic on Sky -- they showed all the seats where turnout has increased by 5% or more and it was a sea of red for Labour.

 

[milo]

You may be right but i do not think she will go in the next couple of weeks. The whole set up is fudged at the moment and the last thing we need is another sodding election.

I don't see another window. The A50 timeframe means that we have to be ready for serious Brexit negotiations once the German elections are over in the autumn. By calling an election after making the A50 notification she has tied the countries hands.