Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
i'm not convinced either, I think it was as much about giving May's "hard brexit bloody difficult woman" nonsense a kicking
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i'm not convinced either, I think it was as much about giving May's "hard brexit bloody difficult woman" nonsense a kicking
That's why I hope May trudges on for a little while yet...
It was a combination of factors -- youth vote, remainers...but crucially, red ukippers came back to Labour because they liked Labour policies more than Tory ones. The Tories assumed the UKIP vote would break for them much stronger, but that didn't seem to happen.
I'm not so sure. How much was the election result down to a protest vote against Brexit/social care/May's campaign rather than a vindication of Corbyn's policies?
For many, I suspect it was the lesser of two evils not by much though.
Gaining another 65 seats for Labour to govern will probably be beyond them with the current status quo. ...
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Well then, other than a majority, this is the best possible result for Labour. Corbyn has shown himself to be a top notch campaigner and vote winner, he has energised the base, grown the membership and got the youth vote out. People underestimated him, but he showed tremendous personal strength and resilience, when under pressure that most of us could only ever imagine. These are the qualities that real leaders need and Corbyn has them in spades! Labour has won about thirty extra seats, made some recovery in Scotland and are now within striking distance of the forces of darkness in newly created knife edge Tory marginal seats across the country. Corbyn now has moral authority and those RWNJ attacks on him will have less impact.
Meanwhile back over at the Death Star...May is finished, the next great white hope Bonzo Boris has zero credibility, their base is literally dying off, they have to face tough Brexit negotiations, they are relying on DUP to stay in office (what will the price be?) the economy is slowing and...Labour don't really have to do much, other than to get the pop corn in. This was a pretty good election to come second in methinks.
Meanwhile back over at the Death Star...May is finished, the next great white hope Bonzo Boris has zero credibility, their base is literally dying off, they have to face tough Brexit negotiations, they are relying on DUP to stay in office (what will the price be?) the economy is slowing and...Labour don't really have to do much, other than to get the pop corn in. This was a pretty good election to come second in methinks.
Only time will tell, but it's what I think will happen. 65 seat gain for Labour might be hard according to conventional wisdom, but conventional wisdom thought anywhere from 50-100 seat majority for the Tories.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
I read a comment that the Tories lost every marginal seat that Maybot campaigned in, electoral poison or what? The only down side for me was that Amber Rudd snuck back in. What a loathsome woman...but I hear that she is the new human face of the Tory Party, so with any luck she can find a seat with a bigger margin and get the leadership.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
If only there'd been some TV debates she could have joined instead of getting out and about to meet the voters...
Seedy Ron
Jimmy Neighbour
Suppose the difference is next time the Tories can't possibly be quite as brick, and will presumably have despatched May long before, and will see Jezza coming - there'll be no surprise about him not being hopeless etc.
The flip side is, he and his policies will be seen as more credible now because the "impending doom" didn't happen and all the pundits got it wrong. There is nowhere to go with all the personal attacks against him, they took their biggest swings and they bounced off. I also think a big comeback in Scotland will be on the cards for Labour next time.
I'm sticking to the opinion that May will kill them the longer she stays.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
If you have 20 polls, one of them will probably get close. Do they have a good track record over many events?
I think they were also closest at the last GE.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Well sort of, they were close, but had no confidence in it and pulled it.
Yeah, they learnt their lesson this time and published the results that went against all the others.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Until there's a by-election to parachute Davidson in
I'd be wary of over-rating her if I was a Tory. Labour will come back a lot stronger in Scotland next time, especially if IndyRef2 is now dead and there is no need to lend Tory candidates votes.
I'm very optimistic for the future of the left.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Popular, charismatic, energetic and liberal isn't a blend you could apply to almost anyone else in the Tory party. I think she's hit a ceiling in Scotland in terms of what the party could ever achieve there, so the next year or so will probably a good time to move up.
I don't know the rest of the Labour MSPs, but Dugdale is poor.
That's what I'm saying about her being over-rated, I think her popularity is overdone and now that IndyRef2 is dead in Scotland, you'll see that in the next election. I agree re. Dugdale.
She'd certainly be better than May, but a dead fish would be better than her.