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the dza said:
Good point made on Sky News -- alliance with DUP undermines neutrality when trying to resolve political crisis in Northern Ireland. Tories playing a dangerous game.
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How are the Conservatives neutral? Their full title is 'The Conservative and Unionist Party'. They've also had formal political alliances with the UUP before.
 
Gutter Boy said:
How are the Conservatives neutral? Their full title is 'The Conservative and Unionist Party'. They've also had formal political alliances with the UUP before.
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They are not neutral in terms of Northern Ireland remaining part of the UK, but I believe the British Government is neutral when it comes to the politics of the Northern Ireland assembly. For example:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34176740

Secretary of State Theresa Villiers declined the DUP's request to pass an emergency law enabling her to suspend the executive, and the prime minister said there must be "intensive cross-party talks" to resolve Stormont's problems.

So, possibly, in a scenario where the DUP are horse-trading with a May government, scenarios like the above might start going in the DUPs favour. And that could stir some sh1t up in Northern Ireland.
 
What happens though when the Torys and DUP take us out of Europe and there is a 'hard border' between the Republic and Northern Ireland?
 
7percent said:
What happens though when the Torys and DUP take us out of Europe and there is a 'hard border' between the Republic and Northern Ireland?
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I don't think the DUP will accept any Tory plans that create that hard border. That means a 'soft brexit' that the far right of the Tory party will not accept.

Surely, things just point to another GE in the not too distant future, as this will be a clusterphuck as things stand.
 
Also, I'm not sure how socially liberal Tories such as our very own @scaramanga will feel about certain policy decisions being potentially dictated by the DUP, given their track record on gay rights, abortion etc.

I can't see May lasting long tbh.
 
the dza said:
I don't think the DUP will accept any Tory plans that create that hard border. That means a 'soft brexit' that the far right of the Tory party will not accept.

Surely, things just point to another GE in the not too distant future, as this will be a clusterphuck as things stand.
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yeah, I can't see it holding for long
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b0be3ed1924ac6#block-593ab481e4b0be3ed1924ac6

The new Tory-Democratic Unionist love-in will make the chances of a deal aimed at restoring power sharing government in Northern Ireland even more remote, the cross community Alliance party has warned.


Amid the DUP’s euphoria over becoming the king-makers (or is it queen-makers?) of Westminster, the Alliance leader Naomi Long said the link up between Arlene Foster’s party and the Conservatives undermines the neutrality of the next Tory secretary of state for Northern Ireland.


Long, who failed to unseat the DUP MP Gavin Robinson in East Belfast, said:


Theresa May said she could form a government with the support of her “friends and allies” in the DUP, “having enjoyed a strong relationship over many years”. DUP leader Arlene Foster said her party would explore that option.


This arrangement, if it happens, appears to have been made along a very fine margin and I would not be surprised if it struggled to last any length of time.


It has also made the possibility of successful talks more remote – there is now no credibility for the Tory government to be an independent chair, putting the entire process in real danger of collapsing.


The all-party talks by the way are scheduled to restart in Belfast this Monday.
 
There must be a way to delay the EU negotiations, until a settled government is in place? I can't see how we can negotiate from a chaotic position.
 
the dza said:
There must be a way to delay the EU negotiations, until a settled government is in place? I can't see how we can negotiate from a chaotic position.
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that we have to negotiate means the situation is already chaotic

we can wait as long as we want to start negotiations, but the end date is set in stone
 
galeforce said:
that we have to negotiate means the situation is already chaotic

we can wait as long as we want to start negotiations, but the end date is set in stone
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Yeah, that's more what I meant, can they kick the end date a bit further away?

Surely, if we run out of time, then we'll end up with more stark choices to make -- perhaps between 'no deal' and an off the shelf 'Norway deal.'
 
the dza said:
Yeah, that's more what I meant, can they kick the end date a bit further away?

Surely, if we run out of time, then we'll end up with more stark choices to make -- perhaps between 'no deal' and an off the shelf 'Norway deal.'
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its a two year deal, we're out in March 2019
 
galeforce said:
that we have to negotiate means the situation is already chaotic

we can wait as long as we want to start negotiations, but the end date is set in stone
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Unless the EU27 unanimously agree to an extension which would mean horse trading. An already very difficult negotiation now looks significantly harder.
 
galeforce said:
yep, I forgot about that
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I think that a hard Brexit is a little more likely now and so is a softer Brexit. There is little insensitive for the EU27 to offer concessions when they know that the current government is unlikely to last until March 2019.

The question is, once May has been binned in a few weeks time, will the Conservatives choose to replace her with a leader who can take a more consensual approach? An offer of a cross party approach to negotiations is probably the only way to get this through without crashing the economy.
 
the dza said:
There must be a way to delay the EU negotiations, until a settled government is in place? I can't see how we can negotiate from a chaotic position.
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What is chaotic? The cabinet will be in place by teatime and David Davis will rock up to Brussels in 10 days' time as planned.

All that has in effect happened is the working majority has been decreased from something like 17 to 8.
 
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