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Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
If it stops Youtube allowing videos that tell people to kill other people than I am all for it.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
The same at every election. We have the Greens and Lib dems doing a deal in Brighton, I am surprised with the polls shortening that the tories did not do a deal with UKIP, but then that would be giving May credit as a Politician and from what I have seen of her the last 6 weeks she has no political intuition.
milo
Jack L. Jones
They did that at the outset of the campaign, UKIP stood aside in hundreds of marginal seats where the Conservative candidate was pro-Brexit
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Really, because oddly they are standing in Adur and East worthing, which is odd because the tory MP in that area is quite pro brexit. Wonder if the might be more standing down in the last week of the election if the polls keep going in the same direction.
milo
Jack L. Jones
They are putting up about half as many candidates as last time. I don't know whether decisions were left to local parties or were made centrally (probably locally because they are not organised enough to sort something like that out nationally).
I think the choice of leaders is not the best.
Corbyn, although some well meaning policies is too extreme for present day and I can't believe he wants to repeal, if elected, David Cameron's sensible IHT increase.
As for May, she is not inspiring, doesn't give us much confidence that she can stick to any manifesto policy and I think she's going to lift the cap on social care further down the line if elected.
When you have paid so much into the system, I think in these cases the state has a responsiilty to return the favour and help those who have contributed.
Corbyn, although some well meaning policies is too extreme for present day and I can't believe he wants to repeal, if elected, David Cameron's sensible IHT increase.
As for May, she is not inspiring, doesn't give us much confidence that she can stick to any manifesto policy and I think she's going to lift the cap on social care further down the line if elected.
When you have paid so much into the system, I think in these cases the state has a responsiilty to return the favour and help those who have contributed.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Bottom line is, where does the money come from? everyone wants better education and health and better transport etc etc so where does the money come from for social care for the elderly. I agree about inheritance tax, I paid in all my life and do not want what money I have left going to the tax man when I die. But where does all the money come from for all the things people want.
Also reading that personal debt is growing at record levels which is going to bite at some point. The was a credit boom before the last crash and it is happening again with people getting in stupid leasing agreements on cars that they clearly can not afford.
Credit card spending according to the papers went to a record high £68.1 billion last month a 9.7 per cent rise on the previous year. Think more should have been made of this in the election. But I have an old fashioned attitude towards money.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
There's no way near the numbers without Labour taking swathes of natural Tory voters from middle England, like Blair did. Whether the rest of them go Labour, Lib Dem or SNP doesn't really matter.
The Tories are going to benefit from 4m UKIP voters down the east coast returning to them for the first time in over a decade.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I miss Cameron, Miliband and Clegg. They were all so much better than this lot. It's a shame they all had big loses over that 18 month period and all their parties veered to the extremes as a reaction.
We really need a new great white (not literally) hope. Some charisma blended with competence and integrity.
milo
Jack L. Jones
This is an interesting read
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/0...ear-winter-for-labour-somethings-got-to-give/
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/0...ear-winter-for-labour-somethings-got-to-give/
yep I may be wrong but I believe there is very little regional mapping in the polls, if all the positive swing is in areas where Labour was winning the seat anyway (just win it by more) then it does not really count for anything.
You have to hope the election result will give May a bit more humility and stop her putting through crap policy pointing to a landslide as a mandate.
You have to hope the election result will give May a bit more humility and stop her putting through crap policy pointing to a landslide as a mandate.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Agree
Labour won't take SNP seats
Labour won't take Lib Dem seats (there's only about 8 hardcore ones left)
Labour won't take middle England Tory seats
They may take a few odds ones in London, but really it does look like they will be shoring up their votes in places they'd recently been competing with UKIP
The hope is that May's now damaged good within her own party, and there's a liberal coup soon after Brexit is finalised, so we get at least 3 years of someone more palatable.
Pretty sure that guy predicted Corbyn to not win both of his leadership contests, infact finish last. Labour uncut is probably more anti-Corbyn than any Tory website. So it's interesting in a "Blairite who keeps getting it wrong" kind of way.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I've got no idea how accurate it is, I'm just sharing it as something that might be of interest. This report from today's Manchester Evening News seems to be telling a similar story
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/general-election-2017-seats-watch-13142522
One of the lessons I took from the last election is that it is easy to get caught in an echo chamber during the campaign and it is good to seek out other view points.
I think that there is also a risk that Labour is piling on votes where it does not need them and not gaining votes where it does.
Looking where prominent Tory and Labour politicians are campaigning supports this fear.
Is Corbyn fighting the next leadership campaign rather than the general election?
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Corbyn in 'only talking to the base' shocker. This surely won't be much of a surprise to anyone?
Certainly possible. We're only gonna know when they give us the exit poll I suppose. I have no clue how this election will go. I plump for Hung Parliament more out of hope than expectation, but I have no idea. There is polling which supports all different outcomes at the moment.
I don't think Corbyn would stay on as leader for too much longer should Labour lose. But he will take the party to conference and get the leadership candidacy rules changed imo, so as to prevent the PLP from not allowing any left wingers on the ballot.
If by the small chance Labour get in - I give it 2 years before another leadership challenge before the party breaking up after Corbyn wins it. I like public services and I don't think they can stand another 5 years of May but think a Corbyn government will be a bit of a disaster.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Labour are 7/1 to win. That's very long for a two horse race.
I think Corbyn has performed well and will be secure in his position after defeat. He probably won't go to 2022 because of his age, but I imagine he will see out Brexit and make the socialists' grip on the party more secure before he anoints a successor.
No chance of a breakaway in the Labour Party imo, whatever the result. If they were gonna do that, they would have done it after the attempted 'coup' last time. The Labour brand is too strong under a fptp system, it's too difficult for a breakaway party to achieve anything.