Yeah, thats the one mate, fantastic. That acoustic stuff is the best work from Neil Young imo.
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Yeah, thats the one mate, fantastic. That acoustic stuff is the best work from Neil Young imo.
I think Davis has heartfelt beliefs re. the EU though. I might not agree necessarily, but I can respect that.
Johnson on the other hand just goes with whichever way he thinks the wind is blowing and is a self-aggrandising pr1ck.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I have always been a big fan of his and have been lucky enough to have seen him live several times, what i like about him is that he is not afraid to experiment and do different things with his music. Seen him play all sorts and he is very good at all of them, difficult to say which/what i like best though.
I remember seeing him in the late 70's and he was playing more electric stuff, loads of fans in the audience were shouting out for him to play stuff from the Harvest album. He actually said to the crowd that he had moved on from that and he was not going to play anything from that period.
It did not go down well with some fans but that is what Young was all about and he was all about change. He actually did a program talking about why he wanted to change his music and fans know that so should accept it.
Anyone who voted Lib Dem expecting something other than a Labour or Conservative government is a fool.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Thought they both did OK again tonight.
May was weak on health, as you'd expect. Corbyn was very weak on tax/small business and not great on defence either. I thought his anti-racism bit was good but thoroughly undermined by him not being able to answer coherently on why there are still anti-Semites in the party.
I think May lucked out a lot with those asking her questions. Of the two who attacked her, one was a rabid loon who couldn't string a sentence together and was sending spittle all over the place whilst trying, the other poor girl was clearly suffering from a number of issues but her obvious need to massively over share will have ruined public opinion of her.
May was weak on health, as you'd expect. Corbyn was very weak on tax/small business and not great on defence either. I thought his anti-racism bit was good but thoroughly undermined by him not being able to answer coherently on why there are still anti-Semites in the party.
I think May lucked out a lot with those asking her questions. Of the two who attacked her, one was a rabid loon who couldn't string a sentence together and was sending spittle all over the place whilst trying, the other poor girl was clearly suffering from a number of issues but her obvious need to massively over share will have ruined public opinion of her.
I don't think Lib Dem voters expected anything but a Tory or Labour government. What I'm saying is, there were a lot of Lib Dem voters who went for them as an alternative to Labour at that time. It's not unreasonable for these voters to feel somewhat betrayed by the Lib Dems then meekly enabling Tory policy for 5 years. IMO, that was reflected in the next general election and compounded by the Tory-leaning Lib Dems binning them off and voting for the real thing. And that's why I think the coalition government has killed the Lib Dems for the foreseeable, although they may come back over time.
I mostly agree, nothing game-changing for either of them. Social care etc is surely priced in for May now, Trident/IRA stuff likewise for Corbyn. People have already made up their minds on the importance of these issues imo and will vote accordingly.
From what I remember of their campaign at the time, they were virtually a one-issue party - a referendum on the election process. I know they had other policies, some of them OK, but the only one that really rang out was the referendum.
Based on their campaigning, the only thing they really owed their voters was a referendum and they delivered it.
I will agree to disagree. We don't want to get bogged down with talking about the Lib Dems when I could be slagging off May/Tories and you could be hating on Corbyn/Labour
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Did anyone else think Corbyn seemed tired by the end of it?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
He's got the same blend of conviction, integrity and courtesy that Tony Benn used to have.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Davis has been actively Eurosceptic since he was John Major's Europe Minister in the early/mid 90s. He's a true believer in the cause
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
First I don't think May will have the strength for a big reshuffle. She's probably quite in danger of an internal coup after the election, so will need to appease her big beasts (including Johnson)
And second Davis has done a year's prep for Brexit and is specially positioned as he and Michel Barnier are old drinking buddies from the 90s (they were Europe ministers for UK and France at the same time). It would be foolish to throw away those those advantages
StephenH
David Ginola
Still help peddle the utter misinformation during the "campaign".
I'm not pro Europe or for that matter anti.
I just way up costs and make a call as I see it.
Waste of money time and effort!
And for what?
DeleHarry
Jose Dominguez
Foolish or deliberate? May has shown she is not afraid of flip flopping, changing her mind, saying one thing but then doing another, i don't think she is fully convinced about Brexit and despite what she is saying publically she doesn't want a hard brexit and will instead want to keep the UK as close as possible with the Eu.
She is a remainer and the more remainers she has alongside her during negotiations the more comfortable she will feel. This rumour about Gummer replacing Davis has come from absolutely nowhere. There must be an element of truth in it.
May is not a person afraid of being perceived as someone who failed at something. If she in her heart feels that brexit is a mistake then she will not deliver the brexit that the 52% leavers voted for no matter what she is currently promising.
Also isn't it true that Tory eurosceptics are greatly outnumbered by remainers in the party? They are an insignificance now, times have changed. If the conservatives win the election she really will have the power to reshuffle the cabinet however she wants.
Oh she is also a major member of the infamous globalist Bilderberg group who are fervently pro EU and desperately anti brexit. They will be applying their own pressure on her to deliver a very very soft brexit.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
I don't know, I thought he came back into it a bit just prior to the end. He'd taken a bit of a hammering mid way through his piece and I edged it to May at that point, but I thought he pulled it back slightly to end it fairly even.
DeleHarry
Jose Dominguez
Yes towards the end but he picked up again just as the show finished.
The incessant nuclear questioning rattled him that's for sure and seemed to sap his energy.
However for a 68 year old bloke I think he is doing well during this campaign. Surprisingly strong energy levels and a sharp clear mind. I don't think he has to worry any time soon about Theresa May coming round to take take his house to pay for his social care