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Hows things today, have been flat out at work and haven't seen what Corbyn has promised us today should we vote them in, must be a huge list of stuff by now !!
 
the dza said:
Not sure about that. They were in the centre at the last election and were killed because nobody trusts them. Now they have tried to promote themselves as the party of remainers, but that message doesn't cut through for the same reason. Farron doesn't help, but their problems go much deeper than him. Coalition with the Tories has set them back a long way and it will take time to rebuild.
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With the Lib Dems, is it all about (generally - in the public view) Clegg 'reneging' on the tuition fee promise that has led to their demise?

Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's the case, I feel he's been hard done by. That promise was made on the premise that they would be in sole government, no?

They weren't, they were the junior member in a coalition, so naturally they didn't carte blanche on their manifesto.

I like Clegg whenever he speaks; cones across like a decent bloke. I feel he's kinda been done disservice by history.
 
the dza said:
Nope. They were a solid 3rd party going into 2010 -- funny how they became "short on talent" right after enabling a Tory government. I voted for Kennedy and Clegg but after the coalition, I'd never vote Lib Dem again. Talk about "echo chambers" all you want, but when a lot of voters start echoing the same opinion and vote accordingly, it counts for something -- in the case of the Lib Dems, a collapse in their vote.
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parklane1 said:
Sorry mate but that is gonads ( imo).
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There's very few people I know who have stopped voting for them because of the coalition.

In fact, outside of those who would vote against the Conservatives even if they were left of Labour, that just not a reason I hear at all.

A lot of people voted for them because they wanted a referendum on some other way of measuring votes - that's dead now. A lot of people voted for them because Brown was a move too far left for them. And many have returned to a Conservative vote because it's too dangerous to risk Labour gaining power.

Outside of this forum I've only heard one person offer the opinion that they wouldn't vote Lib Dem because of the coalition and he's a fudging idiot.
 
scaramanga said:
That was my point.

There are all kinds of reasons why people stopped voting Lib Dem. To assume they all did so through some kind of Tory hatred is as narrow minded as the opinion itself.
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It's not Tory hatred, but many who voted Lib Dem previously did so as an alternative to Labour (a dislike of Blair/Brown/Iraq War etc.) and there were others who were Tory leaning but wanted something a bit softer (and disliked Labour). But Clegg gave us a Tory government, which is obviously not what the people who wanted an alternative to Labour wanted. And I'm guessing that the Tory leaning Lib Dems simply voted for the real thing next time, given the impotence of the Lib Dems in coalition.

In my view, being in coalition phucked them.

Anyway, this question time stuff is on now, let's have a look...
 
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