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the dza said:
"Magic money tree" -- this quote is the sure sign of an absolute qunt. (Apologies to any of you fine gentlemen here who may have said it, not aimed at Spurs fans obviously).
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Just more inane misinformed anti Labour propaganda. The same people have no problem with government handouts to business you'll notice, besides which it is funded , the top 5% are going to get a tax increase. Gee that makes a change. Go Corbyn!
 
Robspur12 said:
Seems to me that we are in quite a mess.
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Basically this.

And the timing is great, with Brexit round the corner.

They're all falling over each other to be sh*tter than the next man. It's a race to the bottom.

This thread is quite funny though, which is telling really, things are so bad we may as well have a good old laugh about it.
 
Robspur12 said:
I was actually broadly supportive of the Tory party plan to reduce the social care budget. We need to have an adult debate about public sector funding and better targeting of money. The NHS funding as a proportion of GDP is lower than several of our European and American neighbours, schools are suffering from budget cuts that mean they are losing teachers, local authorities are on their knees. The elderly living longer will inevitably mean that they will have to contribute longer for their care. The middle classes are conservatives when it t comes to paying tax but when it comes to social care are prepared to rely on the state rather than look after themselves first.

Then the other parties opportunistically attacked the Tory plan labelled it the "dementia tax" so the Tories, as usual, panicked and u-turned. I am struggling to decide who to vote for. I am naturally left leaning but don't think either Corbyn or the odious Tim Farron are competent to run the Country, while May has spent the campaign complacently believing she can do and say anything and still win. Her brexit posturing at the start of the campaign was cringeworthy, her whole strategy has been to highlight that she is not Jeremy Corbyn. Yet we have absolutely no evidence that she will be a better negotiator.

Seems to me that we are in quite a mess.
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I cannot fathom why anybody who is broadly of the left, would act in a way that facilitates the return of the Tories. Of course it all depends on the constituency, but I would be voting to stop the Tory, even if I was not totally convinced by Corbyn. Besides which, is anyone ever totally convinced by government personnel? The government would be more than just Corbyn, just as the present Tories are more than just May.
 
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Robspur12 said:
That's right :-

https://www.theguardian.com/society...hiatrist-affair-with-patient-medical-tribunal
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Don't you just love that sense of entitlement that these upper class twits have? They can do whatever the hell they like, but us plebs need to know our place. Interesting that this is his second offence. He has a prior for falsifying a prescription for a cocaine addicted call girl. Just goes to explain why they are so smug, they know that their establishment mates will do the right thing by them. Chubby faced idiot son of the gentry.
 
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Gilzeantoscore said:
Just more inane misinformed anti Labour propaganda. The same people have no problem with government handouts to business you'll notice, besides which it is funded , the top 5% are going to get a tax increase. Gee that makes a change. Go Corbyn!
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It's one thing giving them a tax increase, it's another getting them to pay it.

If Corbyn wins I'll be transferring my employment to our Czech Republic branch. My tax bill is already obscene, and I'm not a rich person.

The net result from the tax increase on me will be losing tens of thousands of pounds in tax take - do you think everyone else will just suck it up and pay?
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
I cannot fathom why anybody who is broadly of the left, would act in a way that facilitates the return of the Tories. Of course it all depends on the constituency, but I would be voting to stop the Tory, even if I was not totally convinced by Corbyn. Besides which, is anyone ever totally convinced by government personnel? The government would be more than just Corbyn, just as the present Tories are more than just May.
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I have never voted Tory in my life but and I say this with a heavy heart, while I like the man himself, I don't agree with many of his policies such as renationalising the railways, but more importantly I have to question his judgement when he chooses people like Diane Abbott and John Mcdonell to be on his front bench. I also cannot forgive him for the pathetic campaign during the referendum which is going to cost this country dear.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
These types have no empathy for people in low paying jobs, for them it's all about the market, therefore I have no sympathy for 'starving' capitalists. Let them eat cake.
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Absolute rubbish. You know nothing about this situation. And couldn't be further from the truth.

You have a blind, irrational hatred of Tories and anyone that has managed to work their way up to a top job. I started on £11k and worked extremely hard under great stress for 20 years to get near the top on £100k and you hate me for it?
 
scaramanga said:
It's one thing giving them a tax increase, it's another getting them to pay it.

If Corbyn wins I'll be transferring my employment to our Czech Republic branch. My tax bill is already obscene, and I'm not a rich person.

The net result from the tax increase on me will be losing tens of thousands of pounds in tax take - do you think everyone else will just suck it up and pay?
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What a patriot.
 
Bullet said:
Absolute rubbish. You know nothing about this situation. And couldn't be further from the truth.

You have a blind, irrational hatred of Tories and anyone that has managed to work their way up to a top job. I started on £11k and worked extremely hard under great stress for 20 years to get near the top on £100k and you hate me for it?
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Boo hoo! This is the stock standard response of every Tory, "pulled meself op by me bootstraps laddie, noo 'elp for me." Yada, yada,yada. All the while working people are living from food banks, you know, genuinely poor people who work in genuinely lowly paid occupations. Health care is falling to pieces and public education is underfunded. Elderly pensioners may have to figuratively mortgage their homes to pay for care, but you want me to feel sorry for you? Ha, ha! By the way, my distaste for Tories is quite rational. I know where my class interest lies and it doesn't reside with those elitist buffoons.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
What a patriot.
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What the fudge has patriotism got to do with anything? I'm British by random chance of birth, nothing more and nothing less.

As I've already mentioned - I am obliged to pay the amount of tax that I am legally required to pay. No more, no less. Previously, overseas employment would have been far too much effort and too costly to be worthwhile. If we have a communist running the country and trying to steal what I work so hard to earn then I'll do it.
 
Robspur12 said:
I have never voted Tory in my life but and I say this with a heavy heart, while I like the man himself, I don't agree with many of his policies such as renationalising the railways, but more importantly I have to question his judgement when he chooses people like Diane Abbott and John Mcdonell to be on his front bench. I also cannot forgive him for the pathetic campaign during the referendum which is going to cost this country dear.
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If you don't support nationalisation, then you cannot really describe yourself as a leftist in my opinion. The basic tenet of left wing politics is economic, that is to say nationalisation and redistributive economics. I'll trump them with Rudd and Bozo Boris. Rudd, she almost made Nuttall look human.
 
scaramanga said:
What the fudge has patriotism got to do with anything? I'm British by random chance of birth, nothing more and nothing less.

As I've already mentioned - I am obliged to pay the amount of tax that I am legally required to pay. No more, no less. Previously, overseas employment would have been far too much effort and too costly to be worthwhile. If we have a communist running the country and trying to steal what I work so hard to earn then I'll do it.
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No mate, this is a moderate, real Labour manifesto. By historical standards it's not particularly radical. It just seems that way, because the Tories have lurched so far to the right. You hate your own country so much, that you would deny it your undeniable talents. :(
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
No mate, this is a moderate, real Labour manifesto. By historical standards it's not particularly radical. It just seems that way, because the Tories have lurched so far to the right. You hate your own country so much, that you would deny it your undeniable talents. :(
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Nope, I'd still work here.

It's not the Conservatives that have lurched to the right, it's the whole country growing up and understanding that you can't just keep borrowing forever.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
If you don't support nationalisation, then you cannot really describe yourself as a leftist in my opinion. do you consider yourself a leftist, in the same sense that Hillary Clinton or Blair do? Neither can credibly described as 'leftist' in my view. The basic tenet of left wing politics is economic, that is to say nationalisation and redistributive economics. Nowadays the term has been debased to include anybody vaguely interested in the environment, gender politics or gay rights. I'll trump them with Rudd and Bozo Boris. Rudd, she almost made Nuttall look human.
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scaramanga said:
Nope, I'd still work here.

It's not the Conservatives that have lurched to the right, it's the whole country growing up and understanding that you can't just keep borrowing forever.
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The Tories go on and on about the country living beyond it's means and then create a revenue problem by giving their mates in the corporate world, a 65 billion pound tax cut, then argue oh, oh we have a revenue problem, we need to cut the NHS further, what's this, oh we can't afford social care anymore that has to be cut too. Schools, the oinks don't need funding for their kid's education, let's cut spending there too. And on it goes.

What is the Tory rebuttal, the same tired old lines from the fascist Murdoch press, 'the free money tree, a coalition of chaos' etc., just playing patronizing games applying the same old appeals to fears. No wonder things are slipping away from them. They look what they are, a sad bunch of lazy twits who believe that they are born to rule and that any hard lifting would be done by The Sun. May looks and sounds like a ragged public school teacher who has been given a particularly hard time by the lower 5th. What an embarrassment. Wasn't it mean to be Corbyn who was meant to look bad in comparison? What happened to that?

Earlier on in this thread I said that the Tories should underestimate Corbyn at their peril. It seems that my judgement might be shown to be correct. I still believe the forces of darkness will win, but boy they will have been given a mighty scare and that might get them to moderate their more extremist policies a little. This will a great thing for everybody in the long run IMHO.
 
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