Don't be a spoilt sport.
It's fun to learn something new and open your mind to new possibilities. Like understanding that yeah, some cultures are better than others. Some are to strive towards and other, nah, don't want that.
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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It's fun to learn something new and open your mind to new possibilities. Like understanding that yeah, some cultures are better than others. Some are to strive towards and other, nah, don't want that.
Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
Weird…I had the same thought.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
Nah I'm good. There's nothing new about what you're selling.
It is to the people they're talking to though. I think the concept of truth being different depending on your point of view and experiences is often lost on people. "Too many foreigners" probably isn't a truth to vast swathes of rural and suburban Britain where you could realistically spend an entire day and not bump into someone who wasn't "white british" on a form. The idea that politicians or even press can "hoodwink" people into voting a certain way in this day and age is really pie in the sky. Particularly in terms of the younger generation, most of them don't even watch or read mainstream news. They get their news from the Internet and social media. Reform got a tonne of votes from people for whom what Reform were talking about resonated. There's a limit to Reform's appeal because as I've said areas significantly impacted by immigration in this country remain relatively few (although high population areas hence why Reform can pull >4 million votes) but in London, Birmingham and other migration centres there are issues caused by levels of immigration. And people's discomfort with it is very real - for them.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
the internet and social media is where the hoodwinking occurred
The problem is too many foreigners and the rate of at which the population is growing.
People just have no idea of the long term consequences of mass migration. As I alluded to earlier, food, water, energy, homes, health service, infrastructure... The whole lot and the problem with left is that their leaders in government have been telling the lies that their are no consequences and it all being a right wing lie. When the truth is even Ed Milliband had to apologies to the country for catastrophically screwing up of the migration system when he was leader and instead of dealing with it then, they continued down the a path of self destruction, pushing the message that their are no consequences to mass migration mass migration is great.
When we all know it is and It is massive problem and it is causing massive problems across Europe, not just the UK and it is only going to get worse, when the effects of climate change starting kicking. Which is already starting to happen and it is believe teh Arab Springe was cause/influenced by draughts brought about by climate change that lasted for a few years.
Letting in 200,000 people year is insane number, let alone 750,000 a year or more and it's completely unsustainable and migrants and the children have added about 80% of a 10 million addition to the population since 1997, placing insane pressure on local services, insane pressures on housing helping to create the insane house prices and rents across the country.
As I said before, it is not the migrants fault, it is the fault of the government because it has been deliberately engineered and since 1997.
All the people that have just cried racist just live in a happy clap bubble where consequences don;t exist and stick their fingers in the ear shouting la la la la la la racist.
Reform are growing in popularity because the happy clap bubble is bursting, people are seeing through the daily lies by the Ministry of Truth, they see the two tier policing, two tier politics the BS doesn't work any more... It's not because they are racist, it's just that people want change and end to this cycle of BS.
You got the same people screaming climate and nature emergency https://www.wildlifetrusts.org/about-us/combatting-climate-and-nature-emergency - and crying about the destruction of the british wild life and the pressure of modern life...
Well yeah, because your bringing in 100's of 1000's of people each year that need homes and services so we got to build them somewhere and everyone loves migration until homes are being built onto peoples back gardens. We can't grow enough food and haven't done so for decades, putting massive pressure of food quality and bringing import... Never got the argument we need to sell our food overseas, when we can't grow enough food here already, not mention (Carbon foot print).
Then having to build homes on farmland (great when you can't grow enough food), forests, flood planes... You can't even build on brown fill sites as they have usually been left to rewild and are amazing diverse and rich habbits, just like the oil refinery that was abaondon to replace by the London Gateway, the UK biggest port IIRC. I worked on that project translocating rare species of plants and wild life... To a site that was a fraction of the size, despite still being big.
The people who just fling racist and facist around are some ignorant brain rotted examples of people who just simply haven't got a clue. Just so braiwashed by virtue signalling idiots the permiate through the like of Guardian etc.
And the Daily Mail are just as bad with their own brand of brain rotting misinformation that is spewed upon it's front pages.
It's truly amazing just seeing how detached from what is actually going on, people really are.
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Answer me this then. Kemi Badenoch is against Net Zero. Is this another case of crazy Kemi?
These people haven't been hoodwinked. I think this is the most poisonous idea that had crept into British politics in the last decade - the idea that people that hold a differing view hold it illegitimate due to lies, misunderstandings or what have you. It stifles debate because the other side are "beyond help" and should not even be debated with in a civilised manner. They are an enemy to be confronted and defeated.
It started in earnest in the brexit debate and aftermath where you could see two sides just intent on shouting at each other and invalidating the other side's opinions. I remember being at my mother in laws house when a campaigner knocked on the door in the run up to 2016. "They're trying to take away your right to live, work and love across all of Europe" he passionately argued. My mother in law voted leave. She gets a nosebleed getting the bus to town and hasn't had a valid passport for GHod knows how many years. The argument he was trying to sell her was completely lost on her. That didn't mean that the guy was wrong either. They were both right, in their own way. Whether each aspect of EU membership was a good thing or bad largely boiled down to perspective and subjectivity and that's the sane thing with everything. Yet.what you get more and more these days is a lack of acceptance of diversity of thought and experience. It's simply more comforting to believe that the only reason other people don't share your views is because they've been taken in by lies, or due to a lack of education or intellect.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
Why is she against it, what is her logic?
Why you are you asking that now, when you are so quick to judge her before without even understand what she was saying.
Just go with your instinct and see we where it goes. Just be honest, there is no right or wrong answer
Baleforce
Les Bennett
When have I passed judgement on her thoughts on that topic?
You judged her for these, I am asking you for your thoughts on what I asked.
Kemi is against Net Zero is this another case of crazy Kemi?
Net Zero, is probably good in your books, had lots of chat about it, so just give an honest opinion. Like I said, no right or wrong answer.
I'm not gonna call you some kind of donkey...
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
One thing is clear. Trying to debate people who have no interest in serious debate or discussion is a fool's errand, left, right, or centre.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I agree that everyone needs to be heard and everyone's concerns taken onboard regardless of agreement or not; that is the only way polarisation of the public ends. I am personally even OK discussing perspectives with racists until such a time as they show they're not interested in discussion (this is a reference to the world in general not this forum specifically).
Sadly, extremism everywhere has knocked the middle out. Such discussion seems to be the way of the dodo right now. The posture taken is very often an extreme (and myopically targetted) POV which publicly defines itself as being a specific form of extremism. There's also a huge lack of trust. Which then leads to assumptions and insults. I am genuinely not sure such conversations can happen right now, which in itself is tragic...
Says the person who ignores the findings of studies because he doesn't like what it says, has to be told repeatedly that the problem is government not immigrants, but immigrants are massive problem
If you want a serious debate, then go for it.
I think we have the wrong kind of immigration and it's disgusting, vile, and abhorrent, and I want it to stop. Debate.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
In my opinion, you're incapable of debate.
Just re-read your attempt to engage in one and see if you can spot the clues.
Your posts and posting style suggest you live in a world of assumptions and hard-wired agendas. Instead of asking questions, you hurl invectives and simply repeat your (admittedly consistent) one-track opinions. You make assumptions of others. And due to this aggressive and thinly-veiled hostility, you have certainly worn me down to the point where I have no interest in persuing any further dialogue. I have found myself on the edge of hostile language; towards an internet name which for all I know could be a 'bot'. Sad times. So I've now put you on ignore, again a sad thing as in real life I have many friends with many beliefs (except racist and homophobic ones, I don't have racist or homophobic friends).
Perhaps that is a misconception, perhaps you're simply a misunderstood person who just swims in angry waters for refreshment. If so, I'll accept I was wrong, Iive with it, and hope you find a way out of those specific waters in the future...good luck.
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SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Everything is perfectly fine. I am enjoying this, you just can't see it can you.
Again, the problems of the country is down to the government of both sides of the house, who instead of solving the countries issue, have used migration to solve problem rather than addressing the issues. It's as hilarious as it breath taking you don't understand this basic concept. It's delightful to witness.
People are insinuating and trying to call me racist... But I am not the one justifying asset striping of generally poor countries of their nurses and skilled workers, because UK government on all sides of the house are to lazy and devoid of ideas to solve the countries real issues.
It's absolutely draw dropping hypocrisy how you so called morally superior people don't give a shyte about sucking poor developing countries dry of their skilled resources.
And Traitor Starmer is at it again, giving an island to Mauritius, not even consulting and listening to the native people who have major concerns with Mauritius. Who by the way are allies of the Chinese, who are probably looking to further expand their sphere of influence in the area.
Starmer is a tratorous blithering idiot. Can't be bothered to solve the issues of a far away island. So lets give it away, not to the native people, but too another island that is allied to China... Shall we have a look at what China is doing Africa? Or should we just ignore the subject because white people are not doing it so we can't call them racist for virtue signalling points?
It’s a diatribe of aimless nonsense. It says to me: a person that is board and life hasn’t worked out as they intended.
You have list of blame and offer zero. There are no constructive solutions from you. Just a lot of crying. And it’s all someone else’s fault. What are your solutions either to your own situation or the supposed ills you see all around you?
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
SkipRat and Marky having a party...
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