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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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genius bruv I will get right on it. Hahaha
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
1. yes there is a lack of understanding from urbanites as to why people voted for Brexit. A bus driver who’s had Poles coming over and keeping the value of his/her work low, has every right to question free immigration. I do think most are slow to appreciate this.
2. Conversely downgrading our economy via Brexit with less trade and tax revenue with jobs going into the EU, means the UK can realise the Tory dream. Where the working class pick fruit, are plumbers and chimney sweeps. There is a lack of understanding from working classes about this too. The reality is, most of the UK population are highly educated and able to do more advanced work. That is not a negative!! Needing immigrants for cleaning jobs and the worst jobs on building sites, that is not something to lament! Why would you want your people doing the worst jobs as though that is somehow progress!?
Also is there no responsibility on the bus driver to invest in their own education and make themselves more employable? It was the EUs fault they didn’t advance?
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brexiteers… they pretty much said exactly that.
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
I'm hesitant to wade in the this one but caught hook line and sinker by the first line.
You say the "modern left" seems to more about poor people from other countries, if we're making sweeping generalizations that you can say you reckon because of a shock and awe headline or two, then the "modern right" don't seem to care about poor people whether they're foreign or not.
We need to recognise the arbitrary nature of where one is born and see the bigger picture that we are indeed the same species and move onwards - Instead we have incompetent fudgewits in power pandering to the mouth breathers / knuckledraggers by declaring a war on wokeness, if only it were homelessness that worked people up in to such a frenzied state, rather than being exposed to a real life homosexual in a TV show or a mixed race couple on an advert, the horror.
"Poor people's lives has got worse" is about the one thing you've said I agree with, but guess we've gone to that conclusion via a different path, perhaps look at the clams in charge rather than immigrants (of whom many prop up the NHS helping people get those doctors appointment you mentioned).
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
To be fair, they didn't.
They said there was one problem - membership of the EU.
Leaving became the solution to whichever issue would get a vote - some of which were true, some of which were false, most of which were nuanced and fell down when moderate scrutiny was applied.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
The world is fudged up in so many ways there's not one person, party or policy that will sort it.
There is no one solution because there is no one problem.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
The skills shortage was inevitable, and pointed out by “Project Fear”, those pushing for leaving the EU should have had the common sense to wait for automation to be further advanced.
It is possible for a foreign national to come here and work, but it’s a faff, it used to be easy for an EU national (in both directions, something people in this country have generally been too small minded to appreciate imo, working abroad can be wonderful fun). The main issue I’ve heard from my many EU born friends, is that the message to them from Brexit, was basically fudge off. All of my Irish mates have moved out of the UK in the last 5 years.
It is possible for a foreign national to come here and work, but it’s a faff, it used to be easy for an EU national (in both directions, something people in this country have generally been too small minded to appreciate imo, working abroad can be wonderful fun). The main issue I’ve heard from my many EU born friends, is that the message to them from Brexit, was basically fudge off. All of my Irish mates have moved out of the UK in the last 5 years.
thats kind of what I meant.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
Again, something which is inevitable and we need to get on top of.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Absolutely.
Unfortunately people who still have a more narrow view get to vote
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Disagree. One problem = overpopulation. One solution = emancipation of women in most of the second and third world.
Overpopulation is what causes climate change, war, poverty and crime. When overdemand for finite resources stop being a problem, other problems all fade away
There will still be problems. Capitalism means that more and more wealth will be held by fewer people. People and companies that pay little tax.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Buy how many generations is that emancipation and education going to take, realistically? Assuming it eventually happens.
To get to a negative population growth roughly 60 years going by east asia. The birth rate starts dropping quite quickly though.
Here is koreas.
Countries like south africa and india, birth rates have fallen. Still seeing population growth though.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
That's easier to focus on once the chronic ones are out of the way
It happens quickly once i) high infant mortality ends and ii) secularisation happens. Maybe in a generation. As Lilbaz points out - it's already starting to happen in lots of places.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
I often feel i'm swimming against the tide on the world population thing so i won't disagree there.
However, i had this discussion a couple of weeks ago with a group of friends when they were discussing utopian ideas, there is no such thing as utopia, because everybody has a different idea of what utopia is, how to achieve it and how we should all have the utopia that they want.
There are too many, but there are also way too many telling everyone whats good for them.