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Isnt there a BIG caveat with the carpark story as in we only get to that point if companies dont complete the paperwork we are bringing in which take little or no time to complete?
 
Grays_1890 said:
Isnt there a BIG caveat with the carpark story as in we only get to that point if companies dont complete the paperwork we are bringing in which take little or no time to complete?
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Yep.

And the bit nobody is mentioning is that the paperwork is incredibly simple and takes no time at all. Any company used to exporting won't struggle at all.
 
The delays will be caused by the need for a customs agent to check the paperwork before allowing freight through right?
 
Baleforce said:
The delays will be caused by the need for a customs agent to check the paperwork before allowing freight through right?
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Nope, customs docs are sent ahead.

There will be some sample checks but generally, the guidance is that as long as the vehicle matches the one referenced in the pre-approved paperwork, there won't be a delay.
 
Rorschach said:
Big, isn't it? It's gonna be chaos down there come the new year. That'll be the big news story in January I guess (unless Trump loses and barricades himself in the WH bathroom).
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I don't think it will be too bad. Everything will be marginally worse, but not profoundly so. An extra day for deliveries, some disruption at the borders. A little extra cost on goods, slightly less fresh produce, and some short term pain.

Paying for 50,000 new paper-pushers (customs agents) illustrates the inefficiency and pointlessness of it. What is the payback we get? Its not less bureaucrats, as the UK has to have all these new agents, and new posts in government now - regulators, trade negotiators, beefed-up customs, with plenty of consultants on hand of course. Scara can stop paying the minimum wage (doubtful anyway) and use toxins in manufacturing (though this is cloaked in mystery). And lest I forget we will finally feel sovereign - at last! I don't know about you but I never felt free until brexit :rolleyes:
 
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SpurMeUp said:
I don't think it will be too bad. Everything will be marginally worse, but not profoundly so. An extra day for deliveries, some disruption at the borders. A little extra cost on goods, slightly less fresh produce, and some short term pain.

Paying for 50,000 new paper-pushers (customs agents) illustrates the inefficiency and pointlessness of it. What is the payback we get? Its not less bureaucrats, as the UK has to have all these new age:rolleyes:nts, and new posts in government now - regulators, trade negotiators, beefed-up customs, with plenty of consultants on hand of course. Scara can stop paying the minimum wage (doubtful anyway) and use toxins in manufacturing (though this is cloaked in mystery). And lest I forget we will finally feel sovereign - at last! I don't know about you but I never felt free until brexit
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It'll be very bad for the first few months IMO. The truth is they are not ready. The software is not tested sufficiently, the customs agents will not be trained properly or have any experience, and even a few minutes delay per truck will mean the lorry parks (if they are ready) will be full on day one IMO. The additional paperwork is a horrendous looking list and that too will certainly cause delays until most get used to it. But as with everything the kinks will iron themselves out over time and it'll find some sort of equilibrium after that. These problems are manageable compared to the lasting economic effects. The brexit fallout stories I see passing through my inbox daily are the real and future story of Brexit and are quite scary looking. The UK need a deal, any deal as the Antarctic+ deal they are touting is nothing at all.
 
LutonSpurs said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1318133497102540800

Has the Tory spin machine fuked up with the Australia plus blag? Absolute charlatans. Brexit is now becoming very scary. And for the all the great things that could have come from being free from the EU I can assure you these fools in charge won't bring them to us. Party of business my backside.
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Australia is just a way of re-packaging no deal, so it sounds better. What are 'all the great things that could have come from being free from the EU'? So far we've had using toxins in manufacturing and abolishing the minimum wage. And of course sovereignty. That wonderful feeling.
 
Rorschach said:
It'll be very bad for the first few months IMO. The truth is they are not ready. The software is not tested sufficiently, the customs agents will not be trained properly or have any experience, and even a few minutes delay per truck will mean the lorry parks (if they are ready) will be full on day one IMO. The additional paperwork is a horrendous looking list and that too will certainly cause delays until most get used to it. But as with everything the kinks will iron themselves out over time and it'll find some sort of equilibrium after that. These problems are manageable compared to the lasting economic effects. The brexit fallout stories I see passing through my inbox daily are the real and future story of Brexit and are quite scary looking. The UK need a deal, any deal as the Antarctic+ deal they are touting is nothing at all.
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Well the UK imports a lot from outside the EU now. My company has a shipment of 3000 microphones from outside the EU clearing customs now. There is an additional day for paying duties and tariffs, but its no big deal. For 'just in time' production and fresh food it is a pain. But the UK will cope. If we were getting something back for all this - great. But there is literally nothing of value in return. At least that has been identified.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Well the UK imports a lot from outside the EU now. My company has a shipment of 3000 microphones from outside the EU clearing customs now. There is an additional day for paying duties and tariffs, but its no big deal. For 'just in time' production and fresh food it is a pain. But the UK will cope. If we were getting something back for all this - great. But there is literally nothing of value in return. At least that has been identified.
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If you sort out the duties and tariffs in advance (or use a competent agent) then there's no extra delay. We do that all the time and it's seamless.
 
LutonSpurs said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1318133497102540800

Has the Tory spin machine fuked up with the Australia plus blag? Absolute charlatans. Brexit is now becoming very scary. And for the all the great things that could have come from being free from the EU I can assure you these fools in charge won't bring them to us. Party of business my backside.
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"Afghanistan style deal" doesn't quite carry the same weight does it?
 
SpurMeUp said:
Well the UK imports a lot from outside the EU now. My company has a shipment of 3000 microphones from outside the EU clearing customs now. There is an additional day for paying duties and tariffs, but its no big deal. For 'just in time' production and fresh food it is a pain. But the UK will cope. If we were getting something back for all this - great. But there is literally nothing of value in return. At least that has been identified.
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Value is subjective.
 
scaramanga said:
If you sort out the duties and tariffs in advance (or use a competent agent) then there's no extra delay. We do that all the time and it's seamless.
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It is not quite that simple. First off you pay for that service. No one is going to work for free. So added cost. Then there is a physical check by customs and duty agents. You can't pay them off unless you're smuggling coke very successfully.

Can't have it both ways, we either have a goods border with the EU and more impediments. Or we don't. It's not the end of the world but pretending there is no drawback is deluded.
 
SpurMeUp said:
It is not quite that simple. First off you pay for that service. No one is going to work for free. So added cost. Then there is a physical check by customs and duty agents. You can't pay them off unless you're smuggling coke very successfully.

Can't have it both ways, we either have a goods border with the EU and more impediments. Or we don't. It's not the end of the world but pretending there is no drawback is deluded.
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If you pay ahead by yourself there's no added cost. Agent fees are tiny and only based on the duty charged.

Almost nothing gets physically inspected - one in thousands at most. Customs officers take random samples or have suspicious cargo flagged by their computers. They inspect a fraction of a percent of what comes through.
 
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