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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Leicester City ***

SpurMeUp said:
All game we got caught in in areas where we were out numbered. We needed to switch the play to other areas of the pitch fast, and make the pitch big. They would have tired and lost heart. But instead we kept trying to play intricate balls where there wasn't space.
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No teams seem to do that
Seems to be a lost art
Makes a huge difference but you do need players to make those passes and runs
We have neither
 
Baleforce said:
So much wrong with that picture, I know what formation we were supposedly in at the time, but I’d never work it out from that, where the fudge is the MF? Keeper obviously out of frame, but where are the rest of our players?

It’s just a mess.

Yes it was a stupid pass, but who else had separation?

It’s not fluke that Leicester were ready to pounce either, that’s a training ground trap.
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But I've been saying this for about a year. Our shape under this manager IS a mess. We consistently get into situations like this where we are all over the place. There's no structure, we constantly have bizarre s*** going on like Maddison defending in the corner or Sarr tracking their forward in our own box then we act surprised when players have brain parts like the Sarr tackle that gave the penalty away as they suddenly find themselves in situations where they're like "what the f*** do i do now?"
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Have you just joined to start arguments like all the new joiners?
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Not here to start arguments at all. Just think youre trying to defend the undefendable and making a pretty poor case of it.

But that's just my opinion of course and may not be factual
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
Haha I was just joking about starting arguments and being relatively new, sorry was just messing around.

I do think Carl is a cool name though
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I haven’t seen ion just join and then start abusing people
There are others
It’s odd
When things are going well there didn’t seem to be any new joiners
Things turn to brick and they join and start abusing people for not having the same rage or anger they have
 
Bedfordspurs said:
No teams seem to do that
Seems to be a lost art
Makes a huge difference but you do need players to make those passes and runs
We have neither
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Teams frequently do. The best teams do. Pool switch play and leave the pressing team in the dust. City can also re-route the ball in such a setup with a couple of fast paced passes, they switch the attack to the other flank. And to be fair we can at times as well. But today we got bogged down, and instead of moving the ball to a new area, we let them swamp and outnumber us. Posted the same at HT in the match thread.
 
Baleforce said:
So much wrong with that picture, I know what formation we were supposedly in at the time, but I’d never work it out from that, where the fudge is the MF? Keeper obviously out of frame, but where are the rest of our players?

It’s just a mess.

Yes it was a stupid pass, but who else had separation?

It’s not fluke that Leicester were ready to pounce either, that’s a training ground trap.
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When Kulusevski receives the inital pass from Porro he’s got Sarr making a run inside him but Son and Richarlison are miles offside whilst Bergvall and Bentancur are more closely marked than Porro.

Perhaps a fully fit Kulusevski might’ve tried to get the ball into Sarr’s path but he took the safe option then Porro compounds the error by putting Bentancur in trouble; before his surgery Rodrigo would’ve probably got there first and shook off the presser but not nowadays.

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Bedfordspurs said:
I haven’t seen ion just join and then start abusing people
There are others
It’s odd
When things are going well there didn’t seem to be any new joiners
Things turn to brick and they join and start abusing people for not having the same rage or anger they have
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It's like Insta mate the new keyboard warriors. I might delete that as it gets me down too. It's the only social media i have, other than WhatsApp I guess.
 
carl said:
Not here to start arguments at all. Just think youre trying to defend the undefendable and making a pretty poor case of it.

But that's just my opinion of course and may not be factual
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I don’t think a new guy would do any different with the players we have
Maybe you haven’t seen my other posts
This is as much as on the club as a whole or whoever decided to go into this season with a squad woefully inadequate for the volume of football
On ange is things like playing semi injured pakyers… that’s his call every time
The tactics.. we have been playing a very basic game of late and it’s been Ange ball as people know it. It’s far from it. Bit with one fit right back and a left back no one who has managed the club for the last 4 years rates we do no have the options a competent coun should have
 
SpurMeUp said:
Teams frequently do. The best teams do. Pool switch play and leave the pressing team in the dust. City can also re-route the ball in such a setup with a couple of fast paced passes, they switch the attack to the other flank. And to be fair we can at times as well. But today we got bogged down, and instead of moving the ball to a new area, we let them swamp and outnumber us. Posted the same at HT in the match thread.
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Pool do
They have a great passing fully back who thrives off it
City only do it imo when Edersin does it
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I haven’t seen ion just join and then start abusing people
There are others
It’s odd
When things are going well there didn’t seem to be any new joiners
Things turn to brick and they join and start abusing people for not having the same rage or anger they have
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I have neither rage or anger. Just amazes me how fans and pundits can see that Ange and his supposed angeball (I think I've seen angeball executed 5 times since he's been here) is never going to work but yet we still have people trying to defend it.

I'd understand it if there were glimpses of it working, but we have the odd half where it works a couple of times a season and that's it.

I'm not buying injuries as an excuse either as I pointed out to you earlier regarding Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Bournemouth.

If we were to get rid of him, which top club could you see taking a gamble on him?
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
It's like Insta mate the new keyboard warriors. I might delete that as it gets me down too. It's the only social media i have, other than WhatsApp I guess.
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Social media is toxic and TBF Carl he has explained what he meant
But I personally don’t start convos by calling people delusional
I’m fine with people wanting a. Debate but there are a lot of out fans who want to vent and just argue now to let off steam
Doing that on other spurs fans IMO is not on

And for the record … I’ll confirm my view
I’d love new richer owners. Preferably saints and real fans
I really like Ange but as I said last week… he has lost the conviction for his plan imo.
I don’t think the injuries are his fault. I think it’s a combination of things including Ange
I think the squad is woefully inadequate even when people show a list
We got rid of a lot more than we brought in and are likely to play around 60 games… compare to last years 41
That complete madness and not how any club should operate. I actually get why the club gambled but it’s failed.. massively
Levy will sack Ange and we will rinse and repeat. That’s the scary part
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Pool do
They have a great passing fully back who thrives off it
City only do it imo when Edersin does it
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And pools movement and shape is much more effective. How much is due to their solid as houses backline? Their foundations could not be more different to ours. We have kids at the back, and just Bentacur in the middle who's seasoned, it is no wonder our build up play is lacking atm. We are exposed and compromised against anyone we play. And that is why Ange has to go sadly.

I still believe that if Postecoglou had the time and got all the players fit he would refine a winning team. But it is so fragile, there isn't room for mistakes. And any football team needs a bit more than needing everything to align. They need to be able to scrap, fight, and pull out a lucky win now and again too. Our setup is the opposite. We can play relatively well, but give away 2 goals in a blink. Does Ange's system have merits? Yes it does, and he could certainly do more, prove more. But he isn't going to get the time at Spurs. He's undermined already, his number is up.
 
carl said:
I have neither rage or anger. Just amazes me how fans and pundits can see that Ange and his supposed angeball (I think I've seen angeball executed 5 times since he's been here) is never going to work but yet we still have people trying to defend it.

I'd understand it if there were glimpses of it working, but we have the odd half where it works a couple of times a season and that's it.

I'm not buying injuries as an excuse either as I pointed out to you earlier regarding Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Bournemouth.

If we were to get rid of him, which top club could you see taking a gamble on him?
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Plenty looked at him
But I don’t care where he goes next
If we got ariola in form Spain with his CV out fans would have not been happy
Yet now out fans would take him in a heartbeat … I said we would go for him last Jan. when they battered us at home. Could see then what he was doing. That’s on here by the way but many said I was nuts
Regarding the injuries I did the research on the players out for Bournemouth last week and the numbers quoted were tenuous. I did share that in here too
I’ll have a look at Saudi Sportswashing Machine tomorrow to see
 
SpurMeUp said:
And pools movement and shape is much more effective. How much is due to their solid as houses backline? Their foundations could not be more different to ours. We have kids at the back, and just Bentacur in the middle who's seasoned, it is no wonder our build up play is lacking atm. We are exposed and compromised against anyone we play. And that is why Ange has to go sadly.

I still believe that if Postecoglou had the time and got all the players fit he would refine a winning team. But it is so fragile, there isn't room for mistakes. And any football team needs a bit more than needing everything to align. They need to be able to scrap, fight, and pull out a lucky win now and again too. Our setup is the opposite. We can play relatively well, but give away 2 goals in a blink. Does Ange's system have merits? Yes it does, and he could certainly do more, prove more. But he isn't going to get the time at Spurs. He's undermined already, his number is up.
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Pool have a foundation
They also have experience
And they have rotated really well
It’s all things necessary along with a bit of luck
It’s why they will win the league by double digits to city in second
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Plenty looked at him
But I don’t care where he goes next
If we got ariola in form Spain with his CV out fans would have not been happy
Yet now out fans would take him in a heartbeat … I said we would go for him last Jan. when they battered us at home. Could see then what he was doing. That’s on here by the way but many said I was nuts
Regarding the injuries I did the research on the players out for Bournemouth last week and the numbers quoted were tenuous. I did share that in here too
I’ll have a look at Saudi Sportswashing Machine tomorrow to see
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What evidence is there that plenty looked at him? If plenty looked, isn't it worrying none of them went for him?
 
Kompakted said:
Its not about fatigue. We've been doing daft stuff like that since the start of the season. It's the way we are set up. The way we are told to play. Yeah the injuries mean it's even harder to execute the plays than before and fatigue may be playing a part but we were sloppy from the start of this season. And I've said this a lot. Basically when we are "on it", Ange's high-risk, high-reward football can gain spectacular results and look spectacular. But if we are not quite on it we have a high chance of losing. There's no tactical shape or solidity to fall back on. We won't grind results out under Ange. We can't grow into games or arrest poor passages of play by taking a breather and playing it simple. But get this football wrong and at this level you're going to be punished 80% of the time. And that's the problem at this level. You dominate the ball, you're on top, then you try play a low percentage pass out from the back, because that's what the manager wants you to try and do....everyone is pushing up because if it comes off we will have an overload, again it's what the manager tells them to do, only it gets cut our and straight away they're the ones with the overload and they score.

You say its fatigue but I remember the loss away to Saudi Sportswashing Machine. We dominated the ball in that game but their winner in particular....absolute amateur hour, everyone just pushing up and one ball just puts them clean through. And that's early in the season with a fully fit squad.
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Angeball seems analogous to watching Amir Khan boxing, exhilarating when it’s in full flow but you know with that open defence and glass chin that any decent opponent merely needs to land one good punch to knock him to the canvas.

Hopefully something miraculous happens when the injury room clears up but the fact that we lost 4 of our first 9 PL matches, back when Postecoglou had pretty much the entire squad at his disposal, doesn’t fill me with optimism.
 
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