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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Leicester City ***

SteveAWOL said:
Angeball seems analogous to watching Amir Khan boxing, exhilarating when it’s in full flow but you know with that open defence and glass chin that any decent opponent merely needs to land one good punch to knock him to the canvas.

Hopefully something miraculous happens when the injury room clears up but the fact that we lost 4 of our first 9 PL matches, back when Postecoglou had pretty much the entire squad at his disposal, doesn’t fill me with optimism.
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Its amazing that people expect us to just rocket up the table when these injured players are back. This is our record last season after the first 10 games:
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L
D
L
W
W
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L
W
D
W
D
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L
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W
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Its consistently inconsistent.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I don’t think a new guy would do any different with the players we have
Maybe you haven’t seen my other posts
This is as much as on the club as a whole or whoever decided to go into this season with a squad woefully inadequate for the volume of football
On ange is things like playing semi injured pakyers… that’s his call every time
The tactics.. we have been playing a very basic game of late and it’s been Ange ball as people know it. It’s far from it. Bit with one fit right back and a left back no one who has managed the club for the last 4 years rates we do no have the options a competent coun should have
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I genuinely can’t believe you don’t think some of the problems we have are on Ange. The fact that we give away so many silly goals and clear cut chances can’t be all on individual mistakes and injuries surely? We’ve scored the second highest number of goals in the league and sit 15th so it’s not an issue with scoring goals, it’s clearly the other end.
 
billyiddo said:
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Ange was brought in to oversee a youth focused rebuild - you've said as much yourself recently. Why is it now a question of transfer targets?
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Did I say otherwise? He received plenty of young players for the youth focussed rebuild, and only one who was not a, err, youth. I am merely pointing out that of the other three he wanted, none arrived. And if you want to quote me/refer to things I've said, then you'll acknowledge that I've been complaining about that since Sept 2nd.
 
Bishop said:
My friend you forget who you're talking to. I'm resolutely in the Levy out camp and I have been since 2011. That however does not disguise the and I'm sorry to say it ineptitude of the current coach. He's plays football he does not have the players (even when the squad is completely fit) to play. During an injury crisis you have to take stock, look at what Injuries you're carrying and adjust accordingly. He refuses to do and actually makes it worse. He plays an inexperienced 18 year DM at LB when we have a flipping LB sitting there on bench and then when desperate he brings that very same LB on.

So yes Levy is absotely the problem and we are still trying to recover from the years of neglect by ENIC but Ange has made his own situation worse.
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You mean like the last half dozen matches?

Reguillon was not in any way great BTW.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
What evidence is there of anything
Only what was reported
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What was reported?
I stand corrected if there has been but the only thing I seem to remember were a few random reports of potential interest from Liverpool when Klopp left.
I don’t think anyone really thought that was serious
 
RigorMortis said:
What was reported?
I stand corrected if there has been but the only thing I seem to remember were a few random reports of potential interest from Liverpool when Klopp left.
I don’t think anyone really thought that was serious
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I think he means before we went in for him
 
Kompakted said:
Its not about fatigue. We've been doing daft stuff like that since the start of the season. It's the way we are set up. The way we are told to play. Yeah the injuries mean it's even harder to execute the plays than before and fatigue may be playing a part but we were sloppy from the start of this season. And I've said this a lot. Basically when we are "on it", Ange's high-risk, high-reward football can gain spectacular results and look spectacular. But if we are not quite on it we have a high chance of losing. There's no tactical shape or solidity to fall back on. We won't grind results out under Ange. We can't grow into games or arrest poor passages of play by taking a breather and playing it simple. But get this football wrong and at this level you're going to be punished 80% of the time. And that's the problem at this level. You dominate the ball, you're on top, then you try play a low percentage pass out from the back, because that's what the manager wants you to try and do....everyone is pushing up because if it comes off we will have an overload, again it's what the manager tells them to do, only it gets cut our and straight away they're the ones with the overload and they score.

You say its fatigue but I remember the loss away to Saudi Sportswashing Machine. We dominated the ball in that game but their winner in particular....absolute amateur hour, everyone just pushing up and one ball just puts them clean through. And that's early in the season with a fully fit squad.
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I am actually lost for words. If I respond as I want to, we won't be internet friends.
 
Mikey10 said:
It was a response to the couple of posters who were telling us pre-match that they’re fed up with the negativity on here, with the implication that we all basically just need to buck up our ideas as supporters.

I’ve got no problems with anyone still backing Ange. I have, though, got increasingly fed up with the two or three on here (of whom you are definitely not one) who seem to think it’s somehow disloyal to question 1 point from the last 21, 5 points from the last 33, relegation form for the guts of a year, the lowest point return per league game in 75 years, the fact that we are terrible to watch, the inability to defend…; and who do their best to shut down healthy debate.
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I said on tonight's pod near the end that whatever side of the fence you sit, as long as we can all remember why we get so agitated about this (and maybe find a way to channel that into positive support for these dead-on-their-legs players) then that's all we can ask for. Healthy debate is vital.
 
RigorMortis said:
What was reported?
I stand corrected if there has been but the only thing I seem to remember were a few random reports of potential interest from Liverpool when Klopp left.
I don’t think anyone really thought that was serious
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No idea how serious anything is but I was talking before that
Before he joined us
I knew nothing about him at the time
 
thfcsteff said:
I am actually lost for words. If I respond as I want to, we won't be internet friends.
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Can I ask you something.....all of this...."our players are fatigued as they can't be rotated"...how often does Haaland get rotated? Or Salah? Or any key player for any club that is in Europe? When we were in the champions league we'd play Vertonghen, Toby, Kane, Eriksen, Alli and Son pretty much every game. Now are saying its impossible for Ange to get players to pass properly because they're all too fatigued?
 
Kompakted said:
Can I ask you something.....all of this...."our players are fatigued as they can't be rotated"...how often does Haaland get rotated? Or Salah? Or any key player for any club that is in Europe? When we were in the champions league we'd play Vertonghen, Toby, Kane, Eriksen, Alli and Son pretty much every game. Now are saying its impossible for Ange to get players to pass properly because they're all too fatigued?
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We did throw the Dometic cups though
And Poch wanted more players
When city have been good they okay Haaland for 60 mins and sub him for Alvarez. They will start doing that now again with Marmoush
Salah is a valid example but pool rotate all the other players around him. Salah doesn’t do any donkey work… he lets the others do that for him
 
Kompakted said:
Can I ask you something.....all of this...."our players are fatigued as they can't be rotated"...how often does Haaland get rotated? Or Salah? Or any key player for any club that is in Europe? When we were in the champions league we'd play Vertonghen, Toby, Kane, Eriksen, Alli and Son pretty much every game. Now are saying its impossible for Ange to get players to pass properly because they're all too fatigued?
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I have no idea how often Haaland or Salah get rotated or subbed. More than you suspect. Secondly, we were often out of the League and/or FA Cups early under Poch, plus there were simply less international games on the schedule. Do you know the rigors of quick turnaround international travel? I do. It's been a part of my career for decades. Add professional sports to that. Add the way the football calendar has been bloated and shifted since those days of CL Poch. Add the 2022 winter World Cup in the middle of it all.

So yeah. Same 14 or so players week in week out for two games every 7 days, no rest, no real rotation? Yeah, I'd say the bodies and minds are very tired.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I genuinely can’t believe you don’t think some of the problems we have are on Ange. The fact that we give away so many silly goals and clear cut chances can’t be all on individual mistakes and injuries surely? We’ve scored the second highest number of goals in the league and sit 15th so it’s not an issue with scoring goals, it’s clearly the other end.
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Unfortunately we have too many poor midfielders. Sarr, bissoama and bentacur are just not up to it. Maddison has been poor since his injury too.
 
thfcsteff said:
I said on tonight's pod near the end that whatever side of the fence you sit, as long as we can all remember why we get so agitated about this (and maybe find a way to channel that into positive support for these dead-on-their-legs players) then that's all we can ask for. Healthy debate is vital.
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Healthy players are vital.
 
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