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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Leicester City ***

I agree.
I think we'll avoid relegation but accept the league season will be our ugliest since 93/94 (the 'Oldham away' year for those who remember)...or maybe our 97 Wimbledon away year (perhaps bringing Klinesmann back for Solanke is the play LOL)...
I wouldn’t rule out Klinsmann coming back for a different role!
 
fudge the Europa squad…. Or just leave out injured and/or poor players from it if you really care. That is just an excuse that he fans of this club continually make for the horribly average chairman earning the highest director pay packet in the whole PL.
You say "fudge the Europa" but I'm thinking about a player being convinced to join. A striker say who is basically being asked to come in and rotate in the league with Richarlison and others with no Europe and then when Solanke, Johnson and Co are back he's not getting a look in. And there's not going to be any European football next season. I wouldn't see us as an attractive prospect in that situation. Unless I was desperate I'd be telling my agent to find me something else.
 
That's with the assumption that another coach plays the same suicidal football. I don't think there's another coach out there that will play this way, especially not having seen how it's poorly it has returned results over the longer term.

We are so bad that at this point I think almost any coach could do a better job because anyone taking this job now knows their number 1 priority is to stop conceding stupid fudging goals. Yes our return will drop but fudge me scoring a brick ton of goals isn't helping us get points when we put so much at risk to score them.

Months ago I said all Ange needed was to address the balance. There's a slightly more restrained version of his football that works but he's incapable of applying it. A new coach won't be.

Forget what you do or don't like, until everyone accepts that no manager under our chairman is going to get even remotely close to the first choice players they would want, they won't succeed. I understand that managers will 'sign off' on players, but it's in much the way that you ask for a certain sandwich and get told it's too expensive, would you be OK with this cheaper one? 'A' sandwich is better than no sandwich. The only manager who had the gonads to show this all up was Poch, who refused bricky sandwiches in the summer of 2018 and said he'd rather have no sandwiches!
 
Our youth and recruitment structure was absolutely woeful for several years until recently. No excuse for that at all.

2 of the 4 people you list left the club when we could’ve kept them by offering them their worth. For some reason our chairman thinks he is the only person at THFC who deserves a top salary. Must be all of the trophies we’ve won or something?!?
Who?
Arnesen went to Chelsea - no one in their right mind would have turned down Chelsea at that point.
Comolli was sacked because the manager was sacked and Redknapp insisted on not having a DoF
Mitchell was about internal politics
Paratici - well, he's sort of still around
 
Forget what you do or don't like, until everyone accepts that no manager under our chairman is going to get even remotely close to the first choice players they would want, they won't succeed. I understand that managers will 'sign off' on players, but it's in much the way that you ask for a certain sandwich and get told it's too expensive, would you be OK with this cheaper one? 'A' sandwich is better than no sandwich. The only manager who had the gonads to show this all up was Poch, who refused bricky sandwiches in the summer of 2018 and said he'd rather have no sandwiches!

And what kind of sandwich was Ndombele and LeCelco?
 
He had a CM almost next to Porro and he hit a short pass
It was to bentacur wasn’t it?
Yeah Bentancur, but all of Gray, Sarr and Bergvall were in the opposition half miles away from the play. So we're are trying to play that short rondo football but the other members of the midfield are miles away from the play so high risk football with very little potential reward.
 
Yeah Bentancur, but all of Gray, Sarr and Bergvall were in the opposition half miles away from the play. So we're are trying to play that short rondo football but the other members of the midfield are miles away from the play so high risk football with very little potential reward.
I’ve just watched it back
It was a simple pass really badly executed
It was like sonny’s midweek
It’s actually part of the reason I don’t think a new guys gonna change much …. These are very simple things to do
 
And what kind of sandwich was Ndombele and LeCelco?

You mean 'the make-up lunch', half of which arrived at dinner time? Come on. Another massive error on Levy's part was even bothering to make up with Poch that summer given that he didn't end up, or have intentions of, giving him (time) to work...even then Poch also wanted Fernandes and instead got Lo Celso at the end of the window.
 
I’ve just watched it back
It was a simple pass really badly executed
It was like sonny’s midweek
It’s actually part of the reason I don’t think a new guys gonna change much …. These are very simple things to do

...and this is all about fatigue.
 
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Forget what you do or don't like, until everyone accepts that no manager under our chairman is going to get even remotely close to the first choice players they would want, they won't succeed. I understand that managers will 'sign off' on players, but it's in much the way that you ask for a certain sandwich and get told it's too expensive, would you be OK with this cheaper one? 'A' sandwich is better than no sandwich. The only manager who had the gonads to show this all up was Poch, who refused bricky sandwiches in the summer of 2018 and said he'd rather have no sandwiches!

Ange was brought in to oversee a youth focused rebuild - you've said as much yourself recently. Why is it now a question of transfer targets?
 
Forget what you do or don't like, until everyone accepts that no manager under our chairman is going to get even remotely close to the first choice players they would want, they won't succeed. I understand that managers will 'sign off' on players, but it's in much the way that you ask for a certain sandwich and get told it's too expensive, would you be OK with this cheaper one? 'A' sandwich is better than no sandwich. The only manager who had the gonads to show this all up was Poch, who refused bricky sandwiches in the summer of 2018 and said he'd rather have no sandwiches!
My friend you forget who you're talking to. I'm resolutely in the Levy out camp and I have been since 2011. That however does not disguise the and I'm sorry to say it ineptitude of the current coach. He's plays football he does not have the players (even when the squad is completely fit) to play. During an injury crisis you have to take stock, look at what Injuries you're carrying and adjust accordingly. He refuses to do and actually makes it worse. He plays an inexperienced 18 year DM at LB when we have a flipping LB sitting there on bench and then when desperate he brings that very same LB on.

So yes Levy is absotely the problem and we are still trying to recover from the years of neglect by ENIC but Ange has made his own situation worse.
 
It remains incredible to me that we did not make moves to get layers ready for early Jan back in mid-November/Dec...before Arse got injuries. Everyone bleats on about the manager supposedly not altering his ways, despite us being on track with a youth project and long-term rebuoild, was there not the realisation that we needed to spend a bit on a short-term 6 month loan or two?
This is where I do have a lot of sympathy. Back at the end of November he was saying in press conferences that due to the issues with injuries in the squad and the fact that we were having to put youth players on our bench to make up the numbers, we should be looking to strengthen in January with at least a couple of players. It's not like he hasn't been asking for the help. Yet here we are 2 months later and far from being prepared to act quickly in the window we have done nothing aside from Kinsky and even that looks reactive in response to Forsters injury.

I don't believe he has helped himself with squad management but i also don't believe he's received anything like the support he needed since the transfer window opened given our current issues. I can only believe those in charge don't have faith in him but if that is the case then they should have made a decision a number of weeks ago because any chance we have of rescuing our season looks to be disappearing down the crapper.
 
...and this is all about fatigue.
Its not about fatigue. We've been doing daft stuff like that since the start of the season. It's the way we are set up. The way we are told to play. Yeah the injuries mean it's even harder to execute the plays than before and fatigue may be playing a part but we were sloppy from the start of this season. And I've said this a lot. Basically when we are "on it", Ange's high-risk, high-reward football can gain spectacular results and look spectacular. But if we are not quite on it we have a high chance of losing. There's no tactical shape or solidity to fall back on. We won't grind results out under Ange. We can't grow into games or arrest poor passages of play by taking a breather and playing it simple. But get this football wrong and at this level you're going to be punished 80% of the time. And that's the problem at this level. You dominate the ball, you're on top, then you try play a low percentage pass out from the back, because that's what the manager wants you to try and do....everyone is pushing up because if it comes off we will have an overload, again it's what the manager tells them to do, only it gets cut our and straight away they're the ones with the overload and they score.

You say its fatigue but I remember the loss away to Saudi Sportswashing Machine. We dominated the ball in that game but their winner in particular....absolute amateur hour, everyone just pushing up and one ball just puts them clean through. And that's early in the season with a fully fit squad.
 
I’ve just watched it back
It was a simple pass really badly executed
It was like sonny’s midweek
It’s actually part of the reason I don’t think a new guys gonna change much …. These are very simple things to do
A new guy might ask the players to not make those kinds of passes, we know Ange specifically does. A new guy would likely have his midfield much closer to the action especially if he wants to play short rondo football. I don't look at what happened today and think to myself that's its the inevitable consequence of possession football but it is what will happen under Ange at Spurs.
 
Its not about fatigue. We've been doing daft stuff like that since the start of the season. It's the way we are set up. The way we are told to play. Yeah the injuries mean it's even harder to execute the plays than before and fatigue may be playing a part but we were sloppy from the start of this season. And I've said this a lot. Basically when we are "on it", Ange's high-risk, high-reward football can gain spectacular results and look spectacular. But if we are not quite on it we have a high chance of losing. There's no tactical shape or solidity to fall back on. We won't grind results out under Ange. We can't grow into games or arrest poor passages of play by taking a breather and playing it simple. But get this football wrong and at this level you're going to be punished 80% of the time. And that's the problem at this level. You dominate the ball, you're on top, then you try play a low percentage pass out from the back, because that's what the manager wants you to try and do....everyone is pushing up because if it comes off we will have an overload, again it's what the manager tells them to do, only it gets cut our and straight away they're the ones with the overload and they score.

You say its fatigue but I remember the loss away to Saudi Sportswashing Machine. We dominated the ball in that game but their winner in particular....absolute amateur hour, everyone just pushing up and one ball just puts them clean through. And that's early in the season with a fully fit squad.
You explained this far more eloquently than I did, but this is exactly what I'm saying. For some reason there's this narrative that no other coach can do better but no other coach is going set us up this way and with this instructions.
 
A new guy might ask the players to not make those kinds of passes, we know Ange specifically does. A new guy would likely have his midfield much closer to the action especially if he wants to play short rondo football. I don't look at what happened today and think to myself that's its the inevitable consequence of possession football but it is what will happen under Ange at Spurs.
It was a really really basic pass
I’d be worried if a new guy didn’t ask a full back to do that
 
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