*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Leicester City ***

[Bishop]

It’s 6 yards
He could then move and be available for a return
What’s the alternative pass ?

All game we got caught in areas where we were out numbered. We needed to switch the play to other areas of the pitch quicker, and make the pitch big. They would have tired and lost heart. But instead we kept trying to play intricate balls where there wasn't space.

Basically this, we invite the pressure but have poor means of dealing with the pressure. The invitation needs to be when it makes sense. Sometimes switch the play,

 

[Bishop]

You mean like the last half dozen matches?

Reguillon was not in any way great BTW.

I wouldn't expect him to have much form, he's been sitting on the bench for 95% if the season so far. Given the amount of rust he would have he really wasn't bad.

I have no idea how often Haaland or Salah get rotated or subbed. More than you suspect. Secondly, we were often out of the League and/or FA Cups early under Poch, plus there were simply less international games on the schedule. Do you know the rigors of quick turnaround international travel? I do. It's been a part of my career for decades. Add professional sports to that. Add the way the football calendar has been bloated and shifted since those days of CL Poch. Add the 2022 winter World Cup in the middle of it all.

So yeah. Same 14 or so players week in week out for two games every 7 days, no rest, no real rotation? Yeah, I'd say the bodies and minds are very tired.

The manager had plenty of opportunity to rest Porro with Spence earlier in the season he chose not to. He had plenty of opportunity to rest Udogie with Reg, or even Davies, again he chose not to. He could have given Moore and Lankshear more minutes, again he chose not to. He could have also trusted Dragusin rather than rushing Romero back.

So as much as the squad might be struggling with fatigue right now a significant portion of that fatigue is self inflicted. I struggle to feel sympathy for him in that regard because he hasn't managed it well.

 

[El Dante]

Unfortunately we have too many poor midfielders. Sarr, bissoama and bentacur are just not up to it. Maddison has been poor since his injury too.

I disagree with Bentancur and Sarr being there and think that that, along with some other stuff being written over the past 24 hours is too knee jerk. Both of those two are good players if not overplayed, and if given a run of games. As it is Sarr wasn’t fit yesterday and playing whilst Bentancur won’t necessarily be fully up to speed as that’s only his second match since injury.

Maddison is good too, he has decent goal contributions for the season given that he seems to have been in and out of the team for different reasons. I think that he needs to find better consistency but generally he is good enough.

The above are not the reason for our season being as poor as it is. Given sufficient rest/string of matches etc would be good enough for us to be a top six team and have proved as much before this season.

 

[RigorMortis]

I think it’s no secret there are issues with the ownership of the club and the ambition of our owners.
We know we have been decimated with injuries but that doesn’t change the fact that our manager is blatantly out of his depth and still believes he is some sort of messiah, bringing entertaining football to the uneducated masses when the reality is that apart from a ten game unbeaten run at the start of last season ( where in my opinion we weren’t that great anyway), his tenure has been a disaster apart from the odd freak result.

Is it down to the owners that we can’t compete with the likes of Chelsea, arsenal et al , indeed

It’s down to Ange that we are so awful that we are in a potential relegation battle

He needs to go

 

[RigorMortis]

I think it’s no secret there are issues with the ownership of the club and the ambition of our owners.
We know we have been decimated with injuries but that doesn’t change the fact that our manager is blatantly out of his depth and still believes he is some sort of messiah, bringing entertaining football to the uneducated masses when the reality is that apart from a ten game unbeaten run at the start of last season ( where in my opinion we weren’t that great anyway), his tenure has been a disaster apart from the odd freak result.

Is it down to the owners that we can’t compete with the likes of Chelsea, arsenal et al , indeed

It’s down to Ange that we are so awful that we are in a potential relegation battle

He needs to go

We did throw the Dometic cups though
And Poch wanted more players
When city have been good they okay Haaland for 60 mins and sub him for Alvarez. They will start doing that now again with Marmoush
Salah is a valid example but pool rotate all the other players around him. Salah doesn’t do any donkey work… he lets the others do that for him

bit revisionist there about throwing the cups

From memory didn’t we reach one league cup final and two fa cup semis under Poch. Yes we didn’t take the cups as seriously as we could but saying that we threw them is nonsensical.

I wasn’t a huge fan of Poch by the time he went in many aspects but comparing him to this utter macaron we have in charge now is ludicrous.

I’d walk over hot coal to bring back Poch now

 

[metalgear]

For the Levy apologists why do they think Levy has stayed for so long?
My opinion is that Levy will happily sell if the bid is high enough...its got mothing to do with the football

 

[braineclipse]

Thought the first half was decent under the circumstances, managed the game quite well. But too many turnovers.

Then we got punished for individual errors early on in the first half. Poor, frustrating, probably down to fatigue in part.

Tried after that, can't fault the effort (again). Created some chances too, but desperately needed one of those chances to go in. Some sloppy decisions, but that's to be expected.

Really frustrating game.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I think it’s no secret there are issues with the ownership of the club and the ambition of our owners.
We know we have been decimated with injuries but that doesn’t change the fact that our manager is blatantly out of his depth and still believes he is some sort of messiah, bringing entertaining football to the uneducated masses when the reality is that apart from a ten game unbeaten run at the start of last season ( where in my opinion we weren’t that great anyway), his tenure has been a disaster apart from the odd freak result.

Is it down to the owners that we can’t compete with the likes of Chelsea, arsenal et al , indeed

It’s down to Ange that we are so awful that we are in a potential relegation battle

He needs to go

THIS, basically, in a nutshell.

Levy and the board have never been willing to put the investment in when it counts to turn us from a team that bobbles around the top 4 to genuine elite silverware winners. That's on them.

Ange and the coaching staff have got us losing around 2/3 of our games. That's on them.

The appointment of Ange and those coaches is on Levy and the board.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Thought the first half was decent under the circumstances, managed the game quite well. But too many turnovers.

Then we got punished for individual errors early on in the first half. Poor, frustrating, probably down to fatigue in part.

Tried after that, can't fault the effort (again). Created some chances too, but desperately needed one of those chances to go in. Some sloppy decisions, but that's to be expected.

Really frustrating game.

The most worrying thing for me about the game is that when we went behind, no one on the pitch or in the crowd really believed we’d get back into it. The effort was there, the belief wasn’t and that manifested itself in us not threatening their goal for the remainder bar a deflected free kick.

 

[braineclipse]

The most worrying thing for me about the game is that when we went behind, no one on the pitch or in the crowd really believed we’d get back into it. The effort was there, the belief wasn’t and that manifested itself in us not threatening their goal for the remainder bar a deflected free kick.

I think the belief was there among the players. I thought we could at least.

We did create some half decent chances, and some situations that easily could have been a goal. Porro not playing the cross to Gray, Moore being offside (but not by much).

I think we got a bit rushed though, lacking a bit of composure.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I have no idea how often Haaland or Salah get rotated or subbed. More than you suspect. Secondly, we were often out of the League and/or FA Cups early under Poch, plus there were simply less international games on the schedule. Do you know the rigors of quick turnaround international travel? I do. It's been a part of my career for decades. Add professional sports to that. Add the way the football calendar has been bloated and shifted since those days of CL Poch. Add the 2022 winter World Cup in the middle of it all.

So yeah. Same 14 or so players week in week out for two games every 7 days, no rest, no real rotation? Yeah, I'd say the bodies and minds are very tired.

According to transfermarkt, Porro is our player with the most minutes played this season. He's played the 37th most minutes of PL players. Kulusevski is next at 46th. We don't have another player in the top 100......

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Basically this, we invite the pressure but have poor means of dealing with the pressure. The invitation needs to be when it makes sense. Sometimes switch the play,

Smash it to the opposite corner then

 

[DeanoAustin]

I think the belief was there among the players. I thought we could at least.

We did create some half decent chances, and some situations that easily could have been a goal. Porro not playing the cross to Gray, Moore being offside (but not by much).

I think we got a bit rushed though, lacking a bit of composure.

That’s not good enough for me. We were playing the second worst team in the league, at home and we’re a goal down and the best we can point to is a missed crossing opportunity and an offside chance. At no point did we have Leicester under the cosh or looking like they were anything but comfortable.

 

[Daveeeeeeeed]

That’s not good enough for me. We were playing the second worst team in the league, at home and we’re a goal down and the best we can point to is a missed crossing opportunity and an offside chance. At no point did we have Leicester under the cosh or looking like they were anything but comfortable.

Exactly this. People repeat that its about injuries and they are tired, but none of those players looked like they want to be there. They look miserable, are playing crap, and some of them are actually crap and shouldnt be playing for us.

At least some relegation threatened teams play with heart and look like they give a fudge, Leicester in point. We look like a team playing with zero ideas, zero confidence (that is obvious) but zero fudges too. The players arent backing Ange its obvious otherwise we would see something different.

This discussion now is so boring but the sooner we accept that we are going to be relegated then the better we can plan for it.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Exactly this. People repeat that its about injuries and they are tired, but none of those players looked like they want to be there. They look miserable, are playing crap, and some of them are actually crap and shouldnt be playing for us.

At least some relegation threatened teams play with heart and look like they give a fudge, Leicester in point. We look like a team playing with zero ideas, zero confidence (that is obvious) but zero fudges too. The players arent backing Ange its obvious otherwise we would see something different.

This discussion now is so boring but the sooner we accept that we are going to be relegated then the better we can plan for it.

I agree with most of the post but don’t believe the players are playing with no fudges. I do believe they are trying.

I also believe that when The Athletic article comes out after Ange is gone, it’ll be riddled with stories of player dissatisfaction with a manager who increasingly looked out of his depth, training methods and selections that were reckless and a manager who went into his shell as his beliefs crumbled before his eyes. Speculation on my part completely but let’s see.

 

[Daveeeeeeeed]

I agree with most of the post but don’t believe the players are playing with no fudges. I do believe they are trying.

I also believe that when The Athletic article comes out after Ange is gone, it’ll be riddled with stories of player dissatisfaction with a manager who increasingly looked out of his depth, training methods and selections that were reckless and a manager who went into his shell as his beliefs crumbled before his eyes. Speculation on my part completely but let’s see.

I wanted to say this in an earlier post and drafted something similar, but bored of being told to fudge off as how could I possibly know what is going on in the players heads and thoughts.

I think we will hear this too when he is gone.

 

[Dixiefish61]

For the Levy apologists why do they think Levy has stayed for so long?
My opinion is that Levy will happily sell if the bid is high enough...its got mothing to do with the football

Definitely agree it’s not the football keeping him here. More likely he hasn’t had any serious offers at the no doubt extortionate price he will be asking

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I wanted to say this in an earlier post and drafted something similar, but bored of being told to fudge off as how could I possibly know what is going on in the players heads and thoughts.

I think we will hear this too when he is gone.

Always do
It’s never the players

 

[Spoonman]

The most worrying thing for me about the game is that when we went behind, no one on the pitch or in the crowd really believed we’d get back into it. The effort was there, the belief wasn’t and that manifested itself in us not threatening their goal for the remainder bar a deflected free kick.

That is a common theme whenever we go behind lately, we never look like getting a goal to get back into it.

The most damning detail is that Leicester spent 95 mins of the game in a defensive mindset. In the 5 mins that they decided to push out they got 2 goals.

 

[fernadez]

That is a common theme whenever we go behind lately, we never look like getting a goal to get back into it.

The most damning detail is that Leicester spent 95 mins of the game in a defensive mindset. In the 5 mins that they decided to push out they got 2 goals.

This is the thing, after the first 10 games when every seem petrified of us, teams realisied that if they pressed there was a high chance we'd turnever the ball trying to play out of areas we shouldn't. This coupled with them using the diagonal long ball over where the full back has inverted has decimated his tactical system.

The reason I was prepared to give him time is that they are two easy fixes, (play you FB's orthodox and simplify the build up from the back). The fact they went ignored for so long is criminal. We routniely concede the same goal and high value chances...unmarked player at the far post, the give away in a stupid area, the counter attack.