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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Leicester City ***

Bishop said:
You explained this far more eloquently than I did, but this is exactly what I'm saying. For some reason there's this narrative that no other coach can do better but no other coach is going set us up this way and with this instructions.
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Exactly. With everyone fit i still think we have a 30-40% loss rate with this system at this level. I think an absolute top drawer defensive midfielder could push that higher. Having better wingers that can both finish and take their man on the outside would push it higher still.

What the injuries have done is reduce the quality so Dragusin playing a low % out fron the back has a 10% say greater chance of ballsing up than Romero say and so on and so forth.

Having to play kids will increase the inconsistency of execution and reduce the amount of games we ars "on it". So our loss ratio has deteriorated to about 60-70%.

In all of this, what should the head coach do? With inexperienced kids coming in, confidence dropping, fatigue setting in? Do you just decide to put the philosophy on hold for a bit, make us compact and hard to get at in order to get through the games and help the players physically and mentally, or do you just tell them to keep on playing Hollywood football no matter what and then start digging them out like he did with Werner and the kids "i hope they're hurting"......is it just me?
 
thfcsteff said:
I agree.
I think we'll avoid relegation but accept the league season will be our ugliest since 93/94 (the 'Oldham away' year for those who remember)...or maybe our 97 Wimbledon away year (perhaps bringing Klinesmann back for Solanke is the play LOL)...
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I admire (and am envious of) your optimism and wish I could share it. However, all I see is a suicidal manager that happily sends his injured players onto the field to get more broken, a squad full of players made of <insert something ludicrously fragile>, players that seem to think they’re too good to be here and still more that have no sense of danger on a football field and make the same idiotic mistakes over and over again. If Ipswich and Wolves win a couple of games we are dire, dire straits. Speaking of which, think I’ll go listen to Brothers in Arms!
 
thfcsteff said:
Forget what you do or don't like, until everyone accepts that no manager under our chairman is going to get even remotely close to the first choice players they would want, they won't succeed. I understand that managers will 'sign off' on players, but it's in much the way that you ask for a certain sandwich and get told it's too expensive, would you be OK with this cheaper one? 'A' sandwich is better than no sandwich. The only manager who had the gonads to show this all up was Poch, who refused bricky sandwiches in the summer of 2018 and said he'd rather have no sandwiches!
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I do like a sandwich metaphor.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Yep, but unlike others on here I have no faith in the leadership to get anyone better. I also think it’s criminal that the board haven’t got further players in this January to help our horribly injured and fatigued squad. We have 3 spaces for players so don’t even need to sell/loan players to bring more in (ignoring the oh so important 45% wage to turnover ratio of course)
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This season is an aberration - it's not the norm, appointing a manager this bad is also an aberration, we generally have a base line of around 6th, extending probably 4th-8th on average allowing for outlayers, taken from multiple seasons under multiple managers, so I don't share the same skepticism of our ability to appoint a better manager.
 
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billyiddo said:
This season is an aberration - it's not the norm, appointing manager this bad is also an aberration, we generally have a base line of around 6th, extending probably 4th-8th on average allowing for outlayers, taken from multiple seasons under multiple managers, so I don't share the same skepticism of our ability to appoint a better manager.
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We finished 5th last season with a tonne of injuries in defence and Richarlison as our only centre forward. Granted no Europe and we went out of the cups early but this squad is not that bad.
 
We are Tottenham said:
you have just insulted everyone on here!...almost lol
Yes hes done a good job with the financial side of the club. I'm not so sure about the fooball side.
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How many managers out there can win the league? Maybe a handful at best.

Of them, how many aren't already at a super club?

Of them, how many are at or approaching their peak?

It's not as easy as people think it is.
 
billyiddo said:
This season is an aberration - it's not the norm, appointing manager this bad is also an aberration, we generally have a base line of around 6th, extending probably 4th-8th on average allowing for outlayers, taken from multiple seasons under multiple managers, so I don't share the same skepticism of our ability to appoint a better manager.
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Well I don't think it would be hard to find a manager to get us to finish above 15th I do think our standing in the game isn't what many fans think. There is a reason the guy we could get was Ange rather than Slot, coming to Spurs is a bit of hiding for nothing. You won't get backed in the transfer windows even with an injury crisis, you won't get backed if you're on the verge of a title challenge. It's a bit of a job that has loads downsides and few upsides.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It was a really really basic pass
I’d be worried if a new guy didn’t ask a full back to do that
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You can play the pass, but maybe not when you have no other midfielders nearby and the risk of a danger transition is high. It was a bad pass to make period, at best Bentancur was going to get immediately pressed so was always going be pressured, but that is the way Ange wants us to play so we do even when there is no support in the vicinity. Our problems are system based, we've had these problems whether the players are fatigued or not.
 
Bishop said:
You can play the pass, but maybe not when you have no other midfielders nearby and the risk of a danger transition is high. It was a bad pass to make period, at best Bentancur was going to get immediately pressed so was always going be pressured, but that is the way Ange wants us to play so we do even when there is no support in the vicinity. Our problems are system based, we've had these problems whether the players are fatigued or not.
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It was an easy pass poorly executed
I think Ange is fine with what he was trying to do. But he hit is so meekly and weakly it failed and cost us
If we only wait to make simple passes when pakyers are around each other to back up each we will never get over the half way line
There is always risk and reward but this wasn’t a risky pass to make… it was just done really badly by a player who is shattered
 
thfcsteff said:
Wow...
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It was a response to the couple of posters who were telling us pre-match that they’re fed up with the negativity on here, with the implication that we all basically just need to buck up our ideas as supporters.

I’ve got no problems with anyone still backing Ange. I have, though, got increasingly fed up with the two or three on here (of whom you are definitely not one) who seem to think it’s somehow disloyal to question 1 point from the last 21, 5 points from the last 33, relegation form for the guts of a year, the lowest point return per league game in 75 years, the fact that we are terrible to watch, the inability to defend…; and who do their best to shut down healthy debate.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It was an easy pass poorly executed
I think Ange is fine with what he was trying to do. But he hit is so meekly and weakly it failed and cost us
If we only wait to make simple passes when pakyers are around each other to back up each we will never get over the half way line
There is always risk and reward but this wasn’t a risky pass to make… it was just done really badly by a player who is shattered
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Watch it again it's a terrible pass to make. There are two Leicester players close to Bentancur and no other support nearby. At best Bentancur gets the ball and probably passes it straight back to Porro. It's not a tired pass it's a stupid pass.

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Bishop said:
Watch it again it's a terrible pass to make. There are two Leicester players close to Bentancur and no other support nearby. At best Bentancur gets the ball and probably passes it straight back to Porro. It's not a tired pass it's a stupid pass.

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So much wrong with that picture, I know what formation we were supposedly in at the time, but I’d never work it out from that, where the fudge is the MF? Keeper obviously out of frame, but where are the rest of our players?

It’s just a mess.

Yes it was a stupid pass, but who else had separation?

It’s not fluke that Leicester were ready to pounce either, that’s a training ground trap.
 
Bishop said:
Watch it again it's a terrible pass to make. There are two Leicester players close to Bentancur and no other support nearby. At best Bentancur gets the ball and probably passes it straight back to Porro. It's not a tired pass it's a stupid pass.

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All game we got caught in areas where we were out numbered. We needed to switch the play to other areas of the pitch quicker, and make the pitch big. They would have tired and lost heart. But instead we kept trying to play intricate balls where there wasn't space.
 
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