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Next Spurs Manager v.2

Who do you want?

  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • Mauro Pochettino

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 16 13.2%
  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 10 8.3%
  • Murat Yakin

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thomas Tuchel

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Rafa Benitez

    Votes: 29 24.0%
  • Someone Else

    Votes: 4 3.3%

  • Total voters
    121
  • Poll closed .
It's not just that, though, is it? Its his development of neglected or under used players and DRAMATICALLY improved them to the level of international players for a top 20 national team.

Lambert is 32, Lallana is 26 and Rodriguez is 24, where have they been? Have they been hiding under a rock all this time?

Its the style of play as well, he's not just got them to midtable, they've been playing some of the best football in the division and have outplayed a lot of the top 7 teams when they have played them and given them a mighty scare.

I'm sorry to say that Lambert and Rodriguez playing for England is not due to how good they are but more due to the dearth of talent Roy has to pick from.
 
Which clubs with a better squad/manager combo did Southampton finish above?
Point I make is that on paper, that is pretty much where Southampton should be finishing.
Agree with you Ajax are the biggest in Holland but hadn't won anything for 6 or so years and then won it 4 out of 4. I think that is more impressive than 'best points tally for Southampton in the premier league'.

All very easy to say now that the season is over. I had a look previously and not a single expert i could find tipped Southampton higher than 8th at the start of the season. And quite a few tipped them some places down from that. I couldn't see anyone thinking that they would get relegated, but that's partly to do with how well Pochettino did in his first half a season in charge I think. You also cannot name a single club with a worse squad finishing above them. So it's really where they would expect to be at best I would say. If someone could come in and do that for us I would be quite happy.

It's not just that, though, is it? Its his development of neglected or under used players and DRAMATICALLY improved them to the level of international players for a top 20 national team.

Lambert is 32, Lallana is 26 and Rodriguez is 24, where have they been? Have they been hiding under a rock all this time?

Its the style of play as well, he's not just got them to midtable, they've been playing some of the best football in the division and have outplayed a lot of the top 7 teams when they have played them and given them a mighty scare.

Spot on.

I wonder how many on here would have been happy about us signing Lallana, Rodriquez, Lambert, Lovren, Schneiderlin etc last summer. Not that many I think.

And we're not saying that he's turned poor players into very good players. He's turned talented players into better players. We have a lot of talented players. If he could do the same for us...
 
Which clubs with a better squad/manager combo did Southampton finish above?
Point I make is that on paper, that is pretty much where Southampton should be finishing.
Agree with you Ajax are the biggest in Holland but hadn't won anything for 6 or so years and then won it 4 out of 4. I think that is more impressive than 'best points tally for Southampton in the premier league'.

On paper, the Ajax squad is massively superior to any other squad in the Netherlands. They were underachieving he's managed a par performance for them. A really impressive performance for them would have actually to have made their mark in Europe like Mourinho or even AVB managed with Porto.

You've actually got to ask questions really in that all of Ajax's players have been scouted or poached by top clubs all around Europe, yet they really haven't made any kind of impression when in Europe - despite all the talent. Why? Then they get crushed 5-1 in the dutch cup by a pony team and that seems quite "Spurs capitulation like" to me? I mean i would be happy with De Boer and for me its between him and Poch, but to me they're on a level, there is no way you can say De Boer is way out in front achievement wise to Pochettino.

Reviving a sleeping giant? Ajax were still there or thereabouts missing out on the silverware. They had a good young squad and a big budget for the Netherlands it just needed a manager with a steady hand and they'd win the league by default. Its like whoever takes over Man Utd from Moyes this summer. He'll be able to say "I took a club 7th back to a title challenging position" when the reality is that whoever gets the gig will get £200m to spend, Van Persie will be fit again along with Rooney and Mata will have bedded in a bit more and had a full pre-season. I'd be shocked if they weren't back up there challenging and it won't be a massive achievement for whoever takes over.

I'd say getting Southampton with the squad they had on paper to play the football they have and finish with the points and league position they have plus develop Rodriguez, Lambert and Lallana into England internationals is as good if not better achievement.
 
Hopefully he'll be gone by next week (TS not Scara) my concern is whoever we appoint we're going to be massively underwhelmed by them. I can't see any manager being available who can take us to the level everyone seems to want.

It will be an uphill battle for anyone to establish us in the top four because our budget is so much smaller than the teams we will be competing with. I am coming around to the view that I am content with a well organised and attractive side that puts up a fight.
 
I'm sorry to say that Lambert and Rodriguez playing for England is not due to how good they are but more due to the dearth of talent Roy has to pick from.

Rodriguez and Lambert have been outstanding this season and while we're no Brazil & Argentina there is by no means a default selection going on here, after all, Hodgson could easily select Crouch (who has loads of caps and a great international scoring rate) and Carroll (who has again been an England pick in the past) as the back-up centre-forward. Rodriguez for the wide forward positions was up against Sterling, Townsend, Lennon, Johnson, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Young, Redmond, Downing and I'm sure i've missed a few off.
 
I wonder how many on here would have been happy about us signing Lallana, Rodriquez, Lambert, Lovren, Schneiderlin etc last summer. Not that many I think.

And we're not saying that he's turned poor players into very good players. He's turned talented players into better players. We have a lot of talented players. If he could do the same for us...

Has he "turned them into better players" any more than he's caused other players to have not improved during the same period. Can't have it both ways. Good coaches can indeed be partly responsible for a player's performance. But is Sherwood some sort of managerial mastermind because he turned Benteleb, Kane, Naughton into better players?
My point with Pochettino is that he secured his last club mid-table finishes and he's taken a relatively decent Southampton team to finish in the best position they could realistically have hoped to have finished.
Does that make him a competent manager? Yes.
Does it mean i want him at Spurs where life is far more complicated (bigger egos, more politics with the Chairman/Baldini, more expected of the players/team, etc.)? No.
 
Has he "turned them into better players" any more than he's caused other players to have not improved during the same period. Can't have it both ways. Good coaches can indeed be partly responsible for a player's performance. But is Sherwood some sort of managerial mastermind because he turned Benteleb, Kane, Naughton into better players?
My point with Pochettino is that he secured his last club mid-table finishes and he's taken a relatively decent Southampton team to finish in the best position they could realistically have hoped to have finished.
Does that make him a competent manager? Yes.
Does it mean i want him at Spurs where life is far more complicated (bigger egos, more politics with the Chairman/Baldini, more expected of the players/team, etc.)? No.

What a load of nonsense, you're talking as if Spurs are Real Madrid or something. Yes expectations are higher, but if you are a talented coach who has a clear system and way of playing the chances are you will succeed at the next level up. Sure our chairman is hard to please, but if you're successful he will back you - we'd probably still have Redknapp in charge now if he hadn't of messed things up so badly in his final months. There aren't that many 'big egos' at Spurs, they seem a decent behaved group on the whole and when Osvaldo stepped out of line he was shipped off straight away.

No doubt you would have spun the same accusations at Rogers, or Martinez before their moves? Remind me how they're doing.....
 
It's not just that, though, is it? Its his development of neglected or under used players and DRAMATICALLY improved them to the level of international players for a top 20 national team.

Lambert is 32, Lallana is 26 and Rodriguez is 24, where have they been? Have they been hiding under a rock all this time?

Its the style of play as well, he's not just got them to midtable, they've been playing some of the best football in the division and have outplayed a lot of the top 7 teams when they have played them and given them a mighty scare.

Lambert was top scorer in the Championship for Southampton in 2011/12 with 27 goals. That was his first season playing at a higher level than League One, but he's been a steady goal scorer for nearly ten years in the lower leagues prior to that.

Rodriguez was Burnley's top scorer in the Championship in 2010/11 and 2011/12 with 14 and 15 goals respectively. He did not feature for them when they last were in the PL, but he played a bit in their promotion season (only scored 2 goals). Last season he struggled to get going in the PL. I think it's mostly a case of natural development. The manager has played him and he has learned and improved.

Lallana's been producing the same stats for about 5 seasons now.

The question is: How much have these players improved individually and how much is down to Southampton simply being a better team for each season that has passed over the last 5 years?

Are they simply at their peak or is there more to come?
 
If we get Poch there needs to be a big massive sticky thread/front page/little man jumping up and down shouting it at us put on the site explaining that he does speak english, just not to the press.
 
Rodriguez and Lambert have been outstanding this season and while we're no Brazil & Argentina there is by no means a default selection going on here, after all, Hodgson could easily select Crouch (who has loads of caps and a great international scoring rate) and Carroll (who has again been an England pick in the past) as the back-up centre-forward. Rodriguez for the wide forward positions was up against Sterling, Townsend, Lennon, Johnson, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Young, Redmond, Downing and I'm sure i've missed a few off.

No sh!t Sherlock, think I might have got the fact we're not Brazil or Argentina.

Bearing in mind that half the players you've listed that could've played before Rodriguez have been out injured (Townsend, Lennon, O-C, Downing) or have been playing for teams in terrible form (Johnson, Young) as 'Arry would've have put it Roy was "down to the bones" had the others been fit or in form I'm sure Rodriguez wouldn't have got a look in.
 
If we get Poch there needs to be a big massive sticky thread/front page/little man jumping up and down shouting it at us put on the site explaining that he does speak english, just not to the press.

:D

I think that this has been a crafty tactic at Southampton but I am not sure that it is tenable for him to continue to do this if he joins us.
 
There is no patience on the terraces - fans want instant results.

And yet some want a 3-4 year plan as the next guy builds some sort of beautiful system and dynasty.

Poch is a perfect candidate for Spurs really. He's our kind of guy. We'd poach him from a 'smaller' club, which makes us feel good, and show them who's boss. He's shown some pretty flashes and we are intrigued if he could do that for us. It would be a good story, we'd catch him on the way up, and he'd kinda then be one of our own (assuming he doesn't take off back to Europe or elsewhere).

Whereas in reality, he's done very little indeed. Honestly, would anyone be shocked if he bombed here? In an ideal world, and if we were in a different situation, wouldn't we want to assess him after a couple more seasons in the PL?

Regarding 'fans wanting instant results'...he doesn't seem to me to be a guy this club and fans would be very patient with if things start slow because there really isn't much basis or evidence to fall back on.
 
Its an underwhelming appointment which I dont mind however im not sure if he is up to the task.
 
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