El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
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Next Spurs Manager v.2
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Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
Cochise
Steve Carr
He's a compatriot of Lamela so maybe we will see an up turn in this lads game.
He could help us get Lallana or to a lesser extent Rodriguez.
Our squad would probably need few adjustments to be ready to play in his style (part of me thinks that FDB would need 2-3 more signings than Poch to make his 433 tick).
His Southampton team have at times outplayed many of the bigger teams. Up until the offside goal at the Etihad they were by far the better team.
I got nothing else. To be honest I like the idea of Poch but FDB still gets more ticks on the list. I'd imagine that we'd keep Vertonghen if FDB came in and a motivated Vertonghen is something we could really do with having.
I hate the way our board seem to see themselves as being so bloody superior. FDB makes comments in the media and they say that he has embarassed the club. **** me the club have been an embarassment for the majority of the season and the Spurs board turning up their nose at a potentially great coach would be make things even worse. They need to get a handle on themselves, we aren't the biggest club in the country and we can't get away with not taking the best that is on offer purely because our board members are a little sensitive.
Carlo may get the sack soon, flopped to a draw tonight so league is now likely over for them.
they are so obsessed with la decima and rightly so that first final in 12 years (how unbelievable is that with all they have spent) should give him another year but should doesn't mean much with Madrid.
they are so obsessed with la decima and rightly so that first final in 12 years (how unbelievable is that with all they have spent) should give him another year but should doesn't mean much with Madrid.
Out of the two I'd prefer LVG I think....
I think United would prefer Pep due to fears over LVG's personality
Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
If the rumours of Poch being favourite are true then I dispair. I'm completely against that appointment. Can't we get a manager for a change - y'know one whose been involved in managing football clubs for longer than 3 seasons and has a record of success?
I'll be very disillusioned if this transpires to be the case. I wouldn't even be keen on Martinez. He needs to prove it over a longer period of time at Everton in my opinion.
If there is any chance of Rafa I hope we're moving heaven and earth to get him. I'd also prefer FdB to Poch, much, much pefer him.
Pochettino would be massively underwhelming and hugely risky. Next season if he stays at Southampton he could quite easily turn into Michael Laudrup.
I'll be very disillusioned if this transpires to be the case. I wouldn't even be keen on Martinez. He needs to prove it over a longer period of time at Everton in my opinion.
If there is any chance of Rafa I hope we're moving heaven and earth to get him. I'd also prefer FdB to Poch, much, much pefer him.
Pochettino would be massively underwhelming and hugely risky. Next season if he stays at Southampton he could quite easily turn into Michael Laudrup.
I agree - have made this point a few times and its why it baffles me that people would want him. Would like someone more proven
He is a bit like AVB in the aspects you state, but he's a lot clever to me when dealing with people. His use of an interpreter to talk to the press and the effect this has had in him getting an extremely easy ride from the press is genius, for example.
I don't actually think he likes a high possession, high pressing game, at least not in the style of AVB. He develops his team's to play quick, short passes. This is different to a possession game as e.g. AVB & Pep want players to go back or sideways if they're not sure. Southampton when i've watch them this season are always looking for the risky ball in the final 3rd. They play the percentages a lot more, but the players are all fluid and comfortable on the ball. Two pacey full-backs that like to push forward into midfield. A front three, and 3 all-rounders in midfield. They do press obviously, but they don't play a high pressing game i would say. They sit deep quite often, invite teams onto them then hit on the counter with fast, close passes.
At Espanyol he was very highly rated for the job he did there, it only went pear-shaped after all their best players were sold from under him. He improved Southampton quite quickly having taken over and has taken them to another level this season.
He develops young players and would make the most of our youth system.
Our squad is almost perfectly matched for implementing the same system at Southampton:
4-5-1, moving to a 2-5-3 in attack.
.........................................Lambert/Ade (centre-forward)
.......Rodriguez/Lamela (shadow/wide forward)
.................................................................Lallana/Eriksen (floating play-maker)
...............Davis/Dembele (box 2 box).....Wanyama/Bentaleb (box 2 box)
...................................Schneiderlin/Sandro (holder)
Shaw/Rose (wing-back)................................................Clyne/Walker (wing-back)
........................Lovren/Vertonghen.....Fonte/Dawson (centrebacks)
............................................Lloris/Boruc (GK)
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Read up on what was said about him during and after his time at Espanyol.
Unlike FdB he knows the league and has proven himself capable of implementing his ideas in this league and at a clubs that's not the biggest and best in a league.
Like FdB he seems to have a system of play he prefers and builds towards.
Players have seemed to get considerably better under him.
Didn't you say earlier that Tuchel would be a good candidate for us?
If so, what it is about him that you don't see in managers like Poch and FdB?
Probably not. In the same way that a club at our level can't attract a top player in their peak, we probably can't attract a top manager once they're proven.
We may have to do a Berbatov/Modric/Bale and get them on the way up - or settle for a Scott Parker.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Agreed.
Although I think AE's argument that Benitez is the one we should go for is very reasonable. As seen with the vote at the top this seems from a strong majority view though.
Have to agree I don't see how Pochettino is in any way an improvement over TS.
He's a massive improvement in every way over Timmeh, he just seems like a disappointment because he's a long way behind some of the names we've heard mentioned.
Chachaboom
Stephane Dalmat
When do we ever get a manager on the way up? White Hart Lane is a graveyard for managers. Can't think of any manager who has gone on to bigger and better things. It's probably why we are running out of options.
Scott Parker it is then.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
While I agree with what you're saying, off the top of my head at various points during their respective reigns there was talk of Jol, Redknapp and AVB being linked to bigger clubs than us. It can happen.
My Take:
LVG: I think we dodged a bullet here. I don't profess to know an enormous amount about him, but he seems a bit unhinged and that with Levy and some pretty unsettled looking players would be a combination which would only end in tears.
Pochettino:I just don't get it. OK, he's taken Southampton to an 8th place finish, but which clubs below Southampton have a squad as good as Southampton AND a half-decent manager. Sure Southampton finished 8th. Well done. But the reality is that that amounts to being the best of the sh*t teams. The tallest dwarf. Etc.
For me, he's a man who after a long time in the country, still can't speak English and was no better than average at his previous club. The only box he ticks is 'experience of the premier league'. Well AVB ticked that one too. Ditto Moyes going to Man U. Don't be fooled into thinking he'll bring all of Southampton's best players - of course he won't. Firstly, the two or three we'd be interested will all be wanted by Arsenal, United, Liverpool - why would they come to us? Also, do we think the chairman is going to give us his manager and then let us take his best players? I think not. And please don't say 'he plays the Tottenham way'. I've been supporting Spurs for over 30 years - we've spent far less time playing 'the Tottenham way' in that time than we have playing 'the sh*t, underachieving way'. I'd take turgid 2-1 victories if they result in some proper silverware and a top 4 finish. We're not Barca or Real. We need to get winning, ugly if needs be, get some defensive steel and score some goals. A decent manager should be able to get this squad doing that. I will be massively disappointed if we end up with this guy.
Benitez: I thought Benitez was ok when he was at Liverpool, putting aside his mad press conferences and general 'put-upon' demeanour. But that is no doubt why the scourers loved him. One of them. He did well at Liverpool, finished 2nd, won the CL, got to another final. He also did well in his short time at Chavski - didn't they win the Europa, get to the FA Cup semi-final and finish top 4 with him? Pretty good given what was happening when he took over.
FdB: He's definitely proved he knows what he's doing with Ajax - no titles in 6 or so years and he comes in and they win 4 on the bounce. That is impressive, without doubt. He'd also have the massive draw of being able to get the best out of Vertonghen and Eriksen, two players i think are amongst a small group (along with Lloris, Sandro, Soldado and Lamela) who if we can get playing at their best, week-in week-out, will result in us doing very well. I think the players would be impressed with him in a way they mightn't be with Pochettino or similar. FdB's woken a sleeping giant and won 4 titles on the bounce whereas Pochettino? He's got Southampton playing some nice stuff and they're the best of the rest. The agony of choice. The other thing i like about FdB is that he was a defender - i strongly believe that is where you start - good solid defence, defend as a team, attack as a team.
So for me, on balance, it's FdB first choice and Benitez second choice. My only concern with FdB is whether his record at Ajax reflects his ability or that of the club/team? I think the capitulation of Man United and the improvement at Liverpool has made a lot of people sit up; lots of us used to think anyone could manage that Man U team to a top 3 finish - seems not. Likewise, lots of us would have said that, Suarez aside, that wasn't a team capable of scoring 100 goals and running the league title to the last game of the season - Rodgers has set them up brilliantly. I know, i know, they didn't have Europa League and they've spent a lot of money and they didn't have a managerial change last summer, all of which put them at an advantage, but they have played some extraordinary stuff this season - they play from the back and they attack in waves. That hasn't just happened, Rodgers has got them playing like that. And that to me shows its about (a) getting the right manager and (b) giving him a season to bed in, get his players in and then get it right.
LVG: I think we dodged a bullet here. I don't profess to know an enormous amount about him, but he seems a bit unhinged and that with Levy and some pretty unsettled looking players would be a combination which would only end in tears.
Pochettino:I just don't get it. OK, he's taken Southampton to an 8th place finish, but which clubs below Southampton have a squad as good as Southampton AND a half-decent manager. Sure Southampton finished 8th. Well done. But the reality is that that amounts to being the best of the sh*t teams. The tallest dwarf. Etc.
For me, he's a man who after a long time in the country, still can't speak English and was no better than average at his previous club. The only box he ticks is 'experience of the premier league'. Well AVB ticked that one too. Ditto Moyes going to Man U. Don't be fooled into thinking he'll bring all of Southampton's best players - of course he won't. Firstly, the two or three we'd be interested will all be wanted by Arsenal, United, Liverpool - why would they come to us? Also, do we think the chairman is going to give us his manager and then let us take his best players? I think not. And please don't say 'he plays the Tottenham way'. I've been supporting Spurs for over 30 years - we've spent far less time playing 'the Tottenham way' in that time than we have playing 'the sh*t, underachieving way'. I'd take turgid 2-1 victories if they result in some proper silverware and a top 4 finish. We're not Barca or Real. We need to get winning, ugly if needs be, get some defensive steel and score some goals. A decent manager should be able to get this squad doing that. I will be massively disappointed if we end up with this guy.
Benitez: I thought Benitez was ok when he was at Liverpool, putting aside his mad press conferences and general 'put-upon' demeanour. But that is no doubt why the scourers loved him. One of them. He did well at Liverpool, finished 2nd, won the CL, got to another final. He also did well in his short time at Chavski - didn't they win the Europa, get to the FA Cup semi-final and finish top 4 with him? Pretty good given what was happening when he took over.
FdB: He's definitely proved he knows what he's doing with Ajax - no titles in 6 or so years and he comes in and they win 4 on the bounce. That is impressive, without doubt. He'd also have the massive draw of being able to get the best out of Vertonghen and Eriksen, two players i think are amongst a small group (along with Lloris, Sandro, Soldado and Lamela) who if we can get playing at their best, week-in week-out, will result in us doing very well. I think the players would be impressed with him in a way they mightn't be with Pochettino or similar. FdB's woken a sleeping giant and won 4 titles on the bounce whereas Pochettino? He's got Southampton playing some nice stuff and they're the best of the rest. The agony of choice. The other thing i like about FdB is that he was a defender - i strongly believe that is where you start - good solid defence, defend as a team, attack as a team.
So for me, on balance, it's FdB first choice and Benitez second choice. My only concern with FdB is whether his record at Ajax reflects his ability or that of the club/team? I think the capitulation of Man United and the improvement at Liverpool has made a lot of people sit up; lots of us used to think anyone could manage that Man U team to a top 3 finish - seems not. Likewise, lots of us would have said that, Suarez aside, that wasn't a team capable of scoring 100 goals and running the league title to the last game of the season - Rodgers has set them up brilliantly. I know, i know, they didn't have Europa League and they've spent a lot of money and they didn't have a managerial change last summer, all of which put them at an advantage, but they have played some extraordinary stuff this season - they play from the back and they attack in waves. That hasn't just happened, Rodgers has got them playing like that. And that to me shows its about (a) getting the right manager and (b) giving him a season to bed in, get his players in and then get it right.