Next Spurs Manager v.2

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

When he was at Lverpool I didn't pay too much attention to be honest, apart from the CL and FA cup.. but he impressed me the way he handled the situation at the Chavs, and still delivered for them.

He has the PL experience too, as well as honours in various countries.

the clear number one for me. I just hope the 2 links from Thompson and Carragher have been deliberately put out there by Rafa's camp, and he's interested.
If he is and Levy overlooks him, I'll be hugely dis-chuffed.

 

[Rob]

It has seemed for a while that the pro Tim Sherwood phalanx has inevitably dwindled down to having just the one member, Tim Sherwood. But I can't really see De Boer being a marked improvement. Benitez has experience, not just of management but of shopping at the highest level too. Experience over Experiment for me.

 

[Jordinho]

His first few seasons at Liverpool he was too fixated on rotating the squad, as if he was following a plan drawn up in pre-season. Towards the end he started to change, leading to their last title challenge, but his transfer dealings had started to take its toll on the quality of the squad.

The one truly negative about him is the way he destroyed Torres by constantly playing him when injured because he had nobody else.

He showed at Chelsea he's a good coach when focused. He improved their fitness and got them playing as a team, despite the occasional odd selection, and delivered CL qualification, won the Europa League, finished as runners up in the World Club Cup and got to the semi finals in both the FA Cup and the League Cup.

 

[braineclipse]

People will hate me however I believe that the next manager should have established premier league experience.

It surprises me to think that the door is closed to Steve Bruce, Tony Pulis etc. simply because they have not won anything and have been sacked or quit from lesses jobs.

Let's not forget that spurs also don't have a track record of winning anything. All these guys know the league, know what it takes to win and would be hungry to take the chance....bit like our most successful recent coach, Redknapp.

So what's stopping us going for one of these guys? The ego of the fans.


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No hate, although I disagree with your choices.

The "established Premier League experience" argument is a solid argument in the favour of Benitez and to some extent Poch for me.

Wouldn't want Bruce or Pulis, not by a long shot. Pulis has gotten brilliant results with Palace now, super impressive, but that's still half a season of his entire career. Never impressed with him at Stoke, not just the style of football - bad as it was. He actually spent quite a lot of money in the transfer market and to me at least he failed to develop a single player signed into a top player. Look at Martinez, Rodgers, even Poch. They've made good players better.

Bruce has done well with Hull now, but also really poorly at other clubs before.

 

[braineclipse]

His first few seasons at Liverpool he was too fixated on rotating the squad, as if he was following a plan drawn up in pre-season. Towards the end he started to change, leading to their last title challenge, but his transfer dealings had started to take its toll on the quality of the squad.

The one truly negative about him is the way he destroyed Torres by constantly playing him when injured because he had nobody else.

He showed at Chelsea he's a good coach when focused. He improved their fitness and got them playing as a team, despite the occasional odd selection, and delivered CL qualification, won the Europa League, finished as runners up in the World Club Cup and got to the semi finals in both the FA Cup and the League Cup.

As was pointed out to me when I complained about his poor transfer dealings: They're a bit overstated at least. He essentially changed the entire team that won the CL for them within a few seasons and had them challenging for the title not long after. He made some poor signings and failed consistently in getting in good attacking wide players. But he also made some truly top signings and a lot of good signings.

 

[billyiddo]

Benitez is the lowest risk appointment you'd have to say but not one which really captures the heart - wasn't a fan of his Liverpool sides and their style of play

 

[Rossi22]

Familiarity breeds contempt I guess, we want de Boer because no one really knows him. At Spurs though we like to go for the boom or bust option, unfortunately in our case it usually ends in the latter.

 

[Stiff_Swede]

What do you think of Poyet? I think he has done an impossible job saving a very very bleak Sunderland side from going down. I know he has been here before but maybe he has got more experienced now?

 

[Jordinho]

As was pointed out to me when I complained about his poor transfer dealings: They're a bit overstated at least. He essentially changed the entire team that won the CL for them within a few seasons and had them challenging for the title not long after. He made some poor signings and failed consistently in getting in good attacking wide players. But he also made some truly top signings and a lot of good signings.

Number may not be 100% correct, but he spent loads and despite a few good signings, didn't really get value for the money. Far too much dross that barely played or just wasn't good enough.

2004/05:

Djibril Cisse 14.5m
Xabi Alonso 10.7m
Fernando Morientes 6.3m
Luis Garcia 6m
Josemi 2m
Antonio Nunez 1.5m
Scott Carson 1m
Mauricio Pellegrino free

Net spend: 32m

2005/06:

Mohamed Sissoko 12m
Peter Crouch 10.5m
Pepe Reina 9.8m
Daniel Agger 8.75m
Mark Gonzales 2.5m
Jan Kromkamp free
Robbie Fowler free
Boudewijn Zenden free

Net spend: 25m

2006/07:

Dirk Kuyt 9m
Jermaine Pennant 6.7m
Craig Bellamy 6m
Alvaro Arbeloa 2.5m
Gabriel Paletta 2m
Fabio Aurelio free
Nabil El Zhar 200k
Astrit Ajdarevic 750k
Emiliano Insua 200k
Javier Mascherano loan
Daniele Padelli loan

Net spend: 18m

2007/08:

Fernando Torres 30m
Javier Mascherano 17m
Ryan Babel 11.5m
Yossi Benayoun 7.3m
Martin Skrtel 6.5m
Lucas 6m
Kristian Nemeth 3m
Sebastian Leto 1.8m
Charles Itandje 1.4m
Damien Plessis undisclosed
Andriy Voronin free

Net spend: 35m

2008/09:

Robbie Keane 19.3m
Alberto Riera 8m
Andrea Dossena 7m
Diego Cavalieri 3m
David N'Gog 1.5m
Philip Degen free
Vitor Coutinho Flora free
Peter Gulacsi undisclosed

Net spend: 25m

2009/10:

Aquilani 22.1m
Glen Johnson 17.5m
Kyrgiakos 2m + Nemeth on loan
Maxi Rodrigues free

Net spend: -5m

 

[Jordinho]

Sky Sports: Frank de Boer has no intention of leaving Ajax this summer but will listen to an offer from Tottenham if one comes.

 

[Kingdawson]

Number may not be 100% correct, but he spent loads and despite a few good signings, didn't really get value for the money. Far too much dross that barely played or just wasn't good enough.

2004/05:

Djibril Cisse 14.5m
Xabi Alonso 10.7m
Fernando Morientes 6.3m
Luis Garcia 6m
Josemi 2m
Antonio Nunez 1.5m
Scott Carson 1m
Mauricio Pellegrino free

Net spend: 32m

2005/06:

Mohamed Sissoko 12m
Peter Crouch 10.5m
Pepe Reina 9.8m
Daniel Agger 8.75m
Mark Gonzales 2.5m
Jan Kromkamp free
Robbie Fowler free
Boudewijn Zenden free

Net spend: 25m

2006/07:

Dirk Kuyt 9m
Jermaine Pennant 6.7m
Craig Bellamy 6m
Alvaro Arbeloa 2.5m
Gabriel Paletta 2m
Fabio Aurelio free
Nabil El Zhar 200k
Astrit Ajdarevic 750k
Emiliano Insua 200k
Javier Mascherano loan
Daniele Padelli loan

Net spend: 18m

2007/08:

Fernando Torres 30m
Javier Mascherano 17m
Ryan Babel 11.5m
Yossi Benayoun 7.3m
Martin Skrtel 6.5m
Lucas 6m
Kristian Nemeth 3m
Sebastian Leto 1.8m
Charles Itandje 1.4m
Damien Plessis undisclosed
Andriy Voronin free

Net spend: 35m

2008/09:

Robbie Keane 19.3m
Alberto Riera 8m
Andrea Dossena 7m
Diego Cavalieri 3m
David N'Gog 1.5m
Philip Degen free
Vitor Coutinho Flora free
Peter Gulacsi undisclosed

Net spend: 25m

2009/10:

Aquilani 22.1m
Glen Johnson 17.5m
Kyrgiakos 2m + Nemeth on loan
Maxi Rodrigues free

Net spend: -5m

A lot more successes then failures that's for sure.

The ones in bold are clear successes. Then there are others like Bellamy and Babel who did a job. I mean there are not that many clear cut failures.

 

[Jordinho]

A lot more successes then failures that's for sure.

The failures far outweigh the successes in numbers and the successes were mostly very expensive.

That said, I think Benitez could do very well here if he sticks to the coaching and we keep doing our transfer business the way we have for the last few years.

 

[Armchair Expert]

The failures far outweigh the successes in numbers and the successes were mostly very expensive.

Although you feel he didn't want Keane and i think Cisse was done prior to Benitez's arrival.

 

[Seedy Ron]

Isn't that what Baldini is for? He wouldn't get free hand to make signings at Spurs. Besides, the Scousers have a continuing record of spending big on flops.

 

[Rossi22]

Benitez wouldn't be in full control of transfers here anyway.

 

[Kingdawson]

players like Zenden, Gonzalez and Riera also did a solid/good job. Again i say there are not many out right failures.

 

[DHSF]

I think of the guy who has appeared in 3/4 Champions League finals, won the CL, won the EL has won trophies and spent his whole employment in three major leagues.

The guy who yesterday won the Italian cup, adding another major honor to the list. His one real failure was Inter, where he still won the world club championship.

Not bad for a "Benny Hill."

Better than a guy who has never given a press conference in English, got sacked from Espanyol and guided Southampton to 8th in the prem, I'm sure you'll agree.

If it isn't going to be FdB (obviously your first choice) would you rather "Benny Hill" or Pochettino?

I would have Poch the reason being that I thin the likes of FdB and Poch would try to build 'dynasty's' whereas Benny would build a team for the here and now... he actually reminds me of Mourinho. Im not disregarding Bennys success it is undoubted but it all depends on the type of strategy you want a Manager to implement and achieve. Im assuming it is a loner term one in which case in my view its FdB after all he knows what it is about with his experience at Ajax as a player and Manager.

 

[braineclipse]

The failures far outweigh the successes in numbers and the successes were mostly very expensive.

That said, I think Benitez could do very well here if he sticks to the coaching and we keep doing our transfer business the way we have for the last few years.

Or rather, most of the expensive signings were successes!

The cheaper signings will often be more gambles than sure things. A lot of youngsters in there too.

Do a list for most top managers and I think the hit/miss rate would be similar actually. If Benitez had a worse record than them while at Liverpool others it's not by much I think. Perhaps enough to be one of the negatives for him when compared to others, but not a big one. And if we're comparing him to Poch and FdB (my top 3 after LvG at least) they're both more or less unproven at transfers of this level so won't really fare much better by comparison.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

from FDB

When Tottenham Hotspur maybe will come, I will talk - not only Tottenham maybe other clubs who I think I am interested in, I will listen.

LVG part 2 ?

 

[spurs' magna carter]

from FDB

When Tottenham Hotspur maybe will come, I will talk - not only Tottenham maybe other clubs who I think I am interested in, I will listen.

LVG part 2 ?

Word is Levy has f@cked him off and I wouldn't blame him if he has. Seriously getting sick and tired of Spurs being used as a means to an ends.