Next Spurs Manager v.2

[Jordinho]

Has asked this a few times on this thread but not had a convincing answer - why does anyone think Benitez will leave Napoli for us? He's just guided them to third in Serie A and will therefore manage them in teh CL next year. We're in the Europa and he'll inevitably need to spend a year or two tinkering with our squad to get it how he wants it. Additionally, whilst Napoli have confortably finished 3rd, he knows that on joining us he'd be competing for a top 4 spot with three clubs who we cant come close to matching financially (Man U, Cheatski, Man C) yet he'll be expected to deliver 4th despite competition from Liverpool, **** and Everton. I just cant see why on earth he would leave them

Only one more year on his contract at Napoli.

Still has a home in England.

Wants to manage in the Premier League.

It's currently as good as it's going to get at Napoli, if Inter and/or AC get their **** together I can't see them qualifying again next season.

 

[Maltese Falcon]

no hindsight needed at all. I knew all 3 would flop. and I'm no millionaire football manager

How ironic!! A poster with the name of Veron needs no hindsight in judging signings. You know what? A player by that very same name was signed by a British manager for a record fee. Did you need no hindsight to predict that failure as well? what about Forlan, Djemba Djemba and a spate of goalkeepers... Guess you did not need hindsight for those either...

So I guess if the manager that signed those three flops had been available, you would have been put off completely by the opportunity

Some posters on this board sure spout a load of _______ (fill in the blanks)

 

[Kingdawson]

So does Carragher; both I suspect have retained strong contacts with Benitez...

I read the Carragher comments just now and it reads like he's obviously been told by Benitez that he wants to come back to England. Just make it happen please Levy.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Has asked this a few times on this thread but not had a convincing answer - why does anyone think Benitez will leave Napoli for us? He's just guided them to third in Serie A and will therefore manage them in teh CL next year. We're in the Europa and he'll inevitably need to spend a year or two tinkering with our squad to get it how he wants it. Additionally, whilst Napoli have confortably finished 3rd, he knows that on joining us he'd be competing for a top 4 spot with three clubs who we cant come close to matching financially (Man U, Cheatski, Man C) yet he'll be expected to deliver 4th despite competition from Liverpool, **** and Everton. I just cant see why on earth he would leave them

Equally your reasons haven't convinced me it's out of the question. Of course there's no guarantees that he would want to come to us, but as already been mentioned quite a few times, there's "indicators" that suggest he might be interested, eg Phil Thompson & Carragher references, that some of his immediate family are still in the UK. I'm guessing the former Liverpool connections might know him better than AdamB, but I could be wrong.

 

[the dza]

There isn't a single manager that we can get who won't have had some sort of failure in their careers OR is unproven to a degree. You can pick holes in any of them.

I would sooner focus on the successes of a candidate. FdB has been successful, but it's only at 1 club in a non-major league; we've been there before, sort of (AVB).

We have never appointed a manager who has won titles in a major division along with the Champions League. 2 Uefa Cups, 2 Champions League finals (with 1 win), a 2nd place Premier League finish in a team of his signings (love them or hate them) and a few otther cups to boot. Silverware in Spain, England and Italy. We haven't had a manager of that pedigree before have we? Certainly not in the Premier League era. He's been successful (i.e. won trophies) at 4 different clubs in England, Spain and Italy. There are obviously no guarantees of success, but there is so much success to back this guy up, it's hard to think that he wouldn't do a good job for us.

 

[Rossi22]

I read the Carragher comments just now and it reads like he's obviously been told by Benitez that he wants to come back to England. Just make it happen please Levy.

It's ridiculous isn't it.

Benitez:
La Liga winner
Champions League winner
Europa League winner
UEFA Cup winner
FA Cup winner
Coppa Italia winner
Club world cup winner
UEFA manager of the year
Clubs managed: Valencia, Liverpool, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Napoli

FdB:
Won the Dutch league with Ajax

 

[DTA]

It's ridiculous isn't it.

Benitez:
La Liga winner
Champions League winner
Europa League winner
UEFA Cup winner
FA Cup winner
Coppa Italia winner
Club world cup winner
UEFA manager of the year
Clubs managed: Valencia, Liverpool, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Napoli

FdB:
Won the Dutch league with Ajax

Its not even close.

 

[africanspurs]

no hindsight needed at all. I knew all 3 would flop. and I'm no millionaire football manager

That is the most amazing thing i have heard

babel was young player of the year at holland and some international youth tournaments...the result of keane and berabtov i think yeilded the highest scoring or second highest scoring partnership in all of europe and aquilani was an italian international back when italy was actually good

what makes your insight all the more amazing / special is that no one foresaw that babel would not come into his own

aquilani flopped ONLY because he was injured regularly

keane? well to be honest its possible to call this one but still to get all three right...damn impressive i have to say

How is lamela going to do for us? I'm just curious as i have no idea how far he could go or fall...

 

[Armchair Expert]

It's ridiculous isn't it.

Benitez:
La Liga winner
Champions League winner
Europa League winner
UEFA Cup winner
FA Cup winner
Coppa Italia winner
Club world cup winner
UEFA manager of the year
Clubs managed: Valencia, Liverpool, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Napoli

FdB:
Won the Dutch league with Ajax

Spot on. Makes the calls Poch look all the sillier too.

If anyones ever been to Naples by the way, you'll probably be aware that despite being beautiful (if the mafia have decided to let the rubbish men work), its not necessarily a place you'd immediately want to live. I mean people got shot before the cup final yesterday. If your Benitez you might not be in a hurry to raise your daughters there, especially when all the world class educational facilities etc one could ever wish for are on your doorstep, should he manage us.

People underrate the draw of London i feel. Napoli also play away games in front of sparse crowds at craap little clubs. The two leagues just aren't comparable.

 

[sc25]

There isn't a single manager that we can get who won't have had some sort of failure in their careers OR is unproven to a degree. You can pick holes in any of them.

I would sooner focus on the successes of a candidate. FdB has been successful, but it's only at 1 club in a non-major league; we've been there before, sort of (AVB).

We have never appointed a manager who has won titles in a major division along with the Champions League. 2 Uefa Cups, 2 Champions League finals (with 1 win), a 2nd place Premier League finish in a team of his signings (love them or hate them) and a few otther cups to boot. Silverware in Spain, England and Italy. We haven't had a manager of that pedigree before have we? Certainly not in the Premier League era. He's been successful (i.e. won trophies) at 4 different clubs in England, Spain and Italy. There are obviously no guarantees of success, but there is so much success to back this guy up, it's hard to think that he wouldn't do a good job for us.

Nope we haven't. And that was one of the reasons people were talking up LVG.
By the way, if FDB comes here (and I wouldn't advise him too), and is indeed somehow expected to get 4th, he would be on a very short leash, simply because I don't think people know him and he'd be an easy target.

 

[Icelander]

Rafa's been managing clubs since 1995 (Real Madrid B '93-'95).

de Boer only started in 2010 (Ajax youth teams since 2007), of course he won't have the same trophy cabinet as Rafa...but he's won the Dutch championship in all those four years.

Rafa had his ups and downs in the Premier League, but he's a world class manager. FdB could be the next big thing. Different philosophies, different personalities.

For me, I'd like to bring in de Boer. He hasn't been at chelsea or the Pool, so he would be "our" manager, so to speak. A fresh start. But, if it's Rafa, I'm all for that as well, because of his experience and past glory days. The only thing I want is not to drag this thing out. Make it happen well before the world cup and get the ball rolling.

Oh, and also make a statement on the new stadium. If that's OK.

And a new left back. Preferably someone who's good at this game of football.

Cheers.

 

[Hootnow]

That is the most amazing thing i have heard

babel was young player of the year at holland and some international youth tournaments...the result of keane and berabtov i think yeilded the highest scoring or second highest scoring partnership in all of europe and aquilani was an italian international back when italy was actually good

what makes your insight all the more amazing / special is that no one foresaw that babel would not come into his own

aquilani flopped ONLY because he was injured regularly

keane? well to be honest its possible to call this one but still to get all three right...damn impressive i have to say

How is lamela going to do for us? I'm just curious as i have no idea how far he could go or fall...

Bloody hell, we need to get this man on the transfer committee

For what it's worth, despite talking up Benitez earlier, I still acknowledge many of the faults he had. I mocked him playing Kuyt as a 'defensive striker' mercilessly (when he did it outside the big games anyway). In the early years at least, he seemed to struggle with how to break down the smaller teams in the league.

But he does have some very good pedigree....

 

[braineclipse]

Spot on. Makes the calls Poch look all the sillier too.

If anyones ever been to Naples by the way, you'll probably be aware that despite being beautiful (if the mafia have decided to let the rubbish men work), its not necessarily a place you'd immediately want to live. I mean people got shot before the cup final yesterday. If your Benitez you might not be in a hurry to raise your daughters there, especially when all the world class educational facilities etc one could ever wish for are on your doorstep, should he manage us.

People underrate the draw of London i feel. Napoli also play away games in front of sparse crowds at craap little clubs. The two leagues just aren't comparable.

Would the same be true about Martinez to Everton and Rodgers to Swansea?

 

[Modric THFC]

It's ridiculous isn't it.

Benitez:
La Liga winner
Champions League winner
Europa League winner
UEFA Cup winner
FA Cup winner
Coppa Italia winner
Club world cup winner
UEFA manager of the year
Clubs managed: Valencia, Liverpool, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Napoli

FdB:
Won the Dutch league with Ajax

Benitez's Liverpoo's were completely unwatchable as a footballing side.
And his boring Valencia team (winning the league with 51 goals scored in 38 games) were the prototype for AVB's 4231 double defensive pivot in midfield.

 

[Armchair Expert]

Would the same be true about Martinez to Everton and Rodgers to Swansea?

Not really. I think both have had longer managerial careers with more (limited) successes. Certainly Martinez has been managing in the premier league a fair while, had success with Swansea and has won a trophy.

 

[Armchair Expert]

Benitez's Liverpoo's were completely unwatchable as a footballing side.
And his boring Valencia team (winning the league with 51 goals scored in 38 games) were the prototype for AVB's 4231 double defensive pivot in midfield.

I guess the big difference is he kinda won the league and didn't have a negative goal difference.

 

[Hootnow]

I think the one benefit actually of LVG being off the table is that all other managers should be ready to bring in early on.

I want Levy to acknowledge that and bring him on very soon after the end of the season and allow him to start working. Whether that is Benitez, FDB, Tony Pulis, Sherwood, Ferguson coming out of retirement, me, I don't care. Just get it started.

 

[braineclipse]

Not really. I think both have had longer managerial careers with more (limited) successes. Certainly Martinez has been managing in the premier league a fair while, had success with Swansea and has won a trophy.

I'm guessing you mean Wigan? Do you think that trophy made a difference? Did that suddenly make him a better manager? If Aguero or Toure had banged in a couple of goals he would have been worse?

What is silly to me is comparing managers purely on trophies won.

 

[AdamB]

Equally your reasons haven't convinced me it's out of the question. Of course there's no guarantees that he would want to come to us, but as already been mentioned quite a few times, there's "indicators" that suggest he might be interested, eg Phil Thompson & Carragher references, that some of his immediate family are still in the UK. I'm guessing the former Liverpool connections might know him better than AdamB, but I could be wrong.

DId I say I knew him?

 

[Armchair Expert]

I'm guessing you mean Wigan? Do you think that trophy made a difference? Did that suddenly make him a better manager? If Aguero or Toure had banged in a couple of goals he would have been worse?

What is silly to me is comparing managers purely on trophies won.

No, you asked me to compare the careers of Poch and Martinez, so I highlighted some differences in terms of their potential as candidates for the spurs job.

I agree that judging managers solely on trophies won is futile. However, numerous successes and experiences on Benitez's CV (the original point we were debating I think) make him a far, far stronger candidate than Poch. I'm not even sure on what criteria Poch is a credible candidate.