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Next Spurs Manager v.2

Who do you want?

  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 8 6.6%

  • Mauro Pochettino

    Votes: 9 7.4%

  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 43 35.5%

  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 16 13.2%

  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 10 8.3%

  • Murat Yakin

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Thomas Tuchel

    Votes: 2 1.7%

  • Rafa Benitez

    Votes: 29 24.0%

  • Someone Else

    Votes: 4 3.3%
  • Total voters
    121
  • Poll closed .
Yeah I don't really know why Benitez would leave Napoli to come here tbh. For me, it was more of a hypothetical discussion when it comes to him.

By the way, the man is in yet another cup final at this exact moment. Man I miss those (and winning the silverware at the end).
 
AdamB said:
Its irrelevant - Benitez would never leave Napoli for us. Why not go for Guariola whilst we're at it?
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So YOU say but Phil Thompson claims Benitez would jump at the chance to manage us, whether that's speculation or based on something more substantial I don't know.
 
glorygloryeze said:
If people didn't like the football under AVB, why would they like it under Benitez?
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Because Benitez wins trophies? Because Benitez would come here with proven pedigree in this country, unlike AVB who, rightly or wrongly, was viewed with some suspicion by some of our fans from the beginning because of the manner of his failure at Chelsea?
 
Hootnow said:
Because Benitez wins trophies? Because Benitez, unlike AVB, would come here with proven pedigree in this country, unlike AVB who, rightly or wrongly, was viewed with some suspicion by some of our fans from the beginning because of the manner of his failure at Chelsea?
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Benitez and his football would be viewed with suspicion as well surely?
Have people forgotten the defensive fopotball he oversaw with Liverpool before he blew a wad on Aquilani and Glen Johnson?

Yes he won a trophy last season with Chelski, but there is really no comparison between the two squads.

I think his micro-management of our squad would grate eventually.
 
Rossi22 said:
So YOU say but Phil Thompson claims Benitez would jump at the chance to manage us, whether that's speculation or based on something more substantial I don't know.
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Carragher also made noises today, saying that he would not only great for Spurs, but would love to return to the PL.
Apparently his kids are still at school in the UK (not sure if "fachht")

Either way, there's a couple of references from former Liverpool bods; I want him now as much as I wanted LVG when we were first linked with him.

1)Rafa
2)Undecided between Poch and FDB/ pro's and cons for both. Could do with Mr Hindsight to help ;)
 
glorygloryeze said:
Benitez and his football would be viewed with suspicion as well surely?
Have people forgotten the defensive fopotball he oversaw with Liverpool before he blew a wad on Aquilani and Glen Johnson?

Yes he won a trophy last season with Chelski, but there is really no comparison between the two squads.

I think his micro-management of our squad would grate eventually.
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To me at least, AVB wasn't sacked because of his style of play or his results in isolation. If Rafa comes and gets results as he has been getting in most jobs he's ever had he will be accepted.

Those players that can't get used to the micro-management can be sold. Not trying to be flippant, but Rafa is a top manager and those of our players that can't adjust to getting detailed management on how to become better footballers for our club is a part of the problem anyway.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Benitez and his football would be viewed with suspicion as well surely?
Have people forgotten the defensive fopotball he oversaw with Liverpool before he blew a wad on Aquilani and Glen Johnson?

Yes he won a trophy last season with Chelski, but there is really no comparison between the two squads.

I think his micro-management of our squad would grate eventually.
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Possibly.

He won a CL and FA cup in his time at Liverpool. A Europa league with Chelsea. 2 la Ligas and Uefa cup with Valencia. 45 minutes away from winning a coppa italia with Napoli as well right now.

Benitez has a history of winning, across different clubs in different countries.

AVB had one sensational season at Porto. He failed pretty miserably at Chelsea, his only English job before coming here. The pre-Spurs record of the two of them in England doesn't really compare.

It ended up falling apart quite spectacularly at Liverpool and I would be very very wary with him being in charge of transfers here. But managers like Benitez tend to buy themselves a bit of time with trophies imo. I can only imagine what our fans would be saying if in his 1st 2 seasons at a club, our manager won the CL and FA cup (or let's even make it more realistic, a Europa league and league cup).
 
braineclipse said:
To me at least, AVB wasn't sacked because of his style of play or his results in isolation. If Rafa comes and gets results as he has been getting in most jobs he's ever had he will be accepted.

Those players that can't get used to the micro-management can be sold. Not trying to be flippant, but Rafa is a top manager and those of our players that can't adjust to getting detailed management on how to become better footballers for our club is a part of the problem anyway.
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There's got to be some room for creative organic football though. If it's micro-management that leads to continuously beating teams like Arsenal do to fodder then fine, but if it's to continuously keep the score 2-0 then eventually that will grate big time imo.
Can you imagine Eriksen or Lamela being given the creative licence that we hope for under him? Not sure I do.

He'd certainly sort out our defence no doubt about that though.
 
Hootnow said:
Possibly.

He won a CL and FA cup in his time at Liverpool. A Europa league with Chelsea. 2 la Ligas and Uefa cup with Valencia. 45 minutes away from winning a coppa italia with Napoli as well right now.

Benitez has a history of winning, across different clubs in different countries.

AVB had one sensational season at Porto. He failed pretty miserably at Chelsea, his only English job before coming here. The pre-Spurs record of the two of them in England doesn't really compare.

It ended up falling apart quite spectacularly at Liverpool and I would be very very wary with him being in charge of transfers here. But managers like Benitez tend to buy themselves a bit of time with trophies imo. I can only imagine what our fans would be saying if in his 1st 2 seasons at a club, our manager won the CL and FA cup (or let's even make it more realistic, a Europa league and league cup).
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Benitez' trophy haul in recent years is not much different to AVB's if we're being honest. When he joined Chelski they were in a title race, but in the end finished further behi9ndn needlessly imo.

You have to bear in mind our current position in the league and Liverpool's/Chelski's when he joined them. I don't think it compares. He had much more at his disposal at both those clubs. At Liverpool he effectively asset-stripped their squad like Hicks and Gillet asset-stripped their coffers.

As big a gamble taking on Benitez as it would be Pottechino imo
 
I think Napoli and us are similar sized clubs; neither has much history of winning the league. I'm pretty sure we have a bigger fan base world-wide. Finances, we must be fairly similar/slightly ahead? And the Premier League is bigger and better than Serie A at the minute. Benitez liked it in England and we would probably be the biggest job available to him here come the summer.

I'm not saying it's nailed on, but there is a decent chance imo.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Benitez' trophy haul in recent years is not much different to AVB's if we're being honest. When he joined Chelski they were in a title race, but in the end finished further behi9ndn needlessly imo.

You have to bear in mind our current position in the league and Liverpool's/Chelski's when he joined them. I don't think it compares. He had much more at his disposal at both those clubs. At Liverpool he effectively asset-stripped their squad like Hicks and Gillet asset-stripped their coffers.

As big a gamble taking on Benitez as it would be Pottechino imo
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Right but I'm not really comparing AVB's record here to Benitez's record at Liverpool, I'm saying that AVB's record at a similarly sized (in fact, at exactly one the clubs Benitez has managed and won at), was a failure.

Also, he took over Chelsea when they were in the title race? Come on now, he took them over after 12 games with huge amounts of vitriol and abuse from their fans. :lol: Nobody was expecting Chelsea to challenge for the title that season.
 
All I can see happening is us being seduced by FdB's five year plan and giving up after 18 months. Get the waiter in.
 
I'm not articulating my own preference for a manager each way. I have reservations about Benitez and don't think he'd leave Napoli anyway and tbh I know very little about FDB.

In many ways, LVG seemed the perfect fit all round but Man Utd seem to have ****ed that one up.
 
Hootnow said:
Right but I'm not really comparing AVB's record here to Benitez's record at Liverpool, I'm saying that AVB's record at a similarly sized (in fact, at exactly one the clubs Benitez has managed and won at), was a failure.

Also, he took over Chelsea when they were in the title race? Come on now, he took them over after 12 games with huge amounts of vitriol and abuse from their fans. :lol: Nobody was expecting Chelsea to challenge for the title that season.
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I'm pretty sure he took over when they were 3/4 points off the top; perhaps a stats feind can confirm this?
They started the season playing some of the best football they had for years, remember they were top when they beat us 4-2 that autumn. In fact iir things went a bit pear-shaped after that until RDM was sacked after they lost to Juve in the CL.

AVB had a brief to revolutionise the Chelski squad and indeed failed. Benitez was strictly an interim and had a brief to steady the ship (though they were still in the title race imo) and they had a better squad by that time.

Either way, the kind of cautious play-the-long-game football he'd likely employ would have people moaning like they did with AVB
 
Cang believe that EVEN after everything that has happened in the past, people are still ****ing over Poch after just one season. Alan Pardew finished 5th not long ago. Do people want him at Spurs ?
 
Could it be that the Manure players feared Giggs getting the job ahead of LVG and playing EL next year, and hence decided to throw their game? :-k
 
Well, Carragher and Thompson both believe Rafa would be willing to come to us, and I agree with both of them when they say that appointing him could be one of the best moves we ever make.

Rafa's won trophy after trophy after trophy. His Liverpool side of 08/09 were devilishly fast and incisive, certainly qualities I want to see at Spurs. And his sides are very, very solid defensively, which we could do with right now.

Much will depend on the Coppa Italia. If he wins it, I doubt De Laurentiis will let him go. If not, there's a chance. So let's hope for a good 30 minutes from Fiorentina now.
 
glorygloryeze said:
I'm pretty sure he took over when they were 3/4 points off the top; perhaps a stats feind can confirm this?
They started the season playing some of the best football they had for years, remember they were top when they beat us 4-2 that autumn. In fact iir things went a bit pear-shaped after that until RDM was sacked after they lost to Juve in the CL.

AVB had a brief to revolutionise the Chelski squad and indeed failed. Benitez was strictly an interim and had a brief to steady the ship (though they were still in the title race imo) and they had a better squad by that time.

Either way, the kind of cautious play-the-long-game football he'd likely employ would have people moaning like they did with AVB
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I remember, they were 4 points off the top. My point was that, perhaps because we as Spurs fans have taken to claiming we're in title races when we're actually not, it is a bit presumptuous to claim that you are in a title race in November. Only 12 games had been played, a huge amount of things can change, teams can drop off. I didn't think they had the squad at the beginning of that season to go all the way by any means.

There's a good chance that it would. My point is that fans tend to be a bit more patient when your manager is winning trophies or at least getting you to finals. Benitez can't have just fluked into all the finals and trophies that he has in his cabinet.

I've already said before, I didn't want AVB to leave even until the end but I could understand why people did. The football was not great. But on top of that, we had started to be shown up when facing the top sides. We weren't looking near silverware, our style of play wasn't improving and some of the warning sirens from the season before were blaring louder. A combination of all that started to grate on people. In my opinion anyway.
 
I still fail to see how much better than AVB within our club constraints Benitez will be.

It'll be interesting to see if he is appointed, but again why would he risk his reputation and image by leaving a sure CL club in Italy at the moment and join us, a team that has to over come at least 2 CL stalwarts to break into the CL? We know how much Rafa likes the CL now...

It's also interesting to read those clamouring for him now who used to call him FSW just a couple of years ago...:-"
 
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