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Next Spurs manager mega-thread
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Guardiola left as a player because something was wrong. He is leaving as a manager because he is working 24/7, he's in an extremely stressful job and he doesn't want to get totally burned out. He was working hard for Barca B before he took over the first team, so he just wants a break. I'm sure he'd have preferred to go out on a high, but he's been on 1 year rolling contracts this entire time and he has always said that he would only continue if he felt he could continue at 100%, also that he could do the job asked of him. He has a 3 year old daughter that he hasn't spent much time with too. But you never know, he could return in a couple of years as a director of football or some other role like that. He could also come back in case of an emergency. That club is his national side more than Spain was, he said he only played for Spain because there wasn't an international team for Catalonia. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia_national_football_team - That one doesn't have Fifa or Uefa approval, but fudge me that's a good team.
) So Barca is the team closest to his heart and due to things being the way they are in Spain, he'd never be the manager of Spain. He might be the manager of that Catalonia national team though, they only do friendlies, so there's less stress and he can take more time off.Bizarrely, he has this really weird affection for English football. He wanted to come here as a player, but ended up going somewhere else after a friend asked him to help out, so he might try to manage here, but I don't know what with.
Emirates Marketing Project - Yaya Toure went on record of saying he'd never want to work with him again. (Quite a lot of ex Barca players have said this, Bojan was one of the more vocal ones.) This is potentially a good technical side, he could bring in players suited to his system and there's a lot he could do here.
Man United - If SAF retires then he could possibly work with this side, but Man United doesn't really have the ability to shift the many players that wouldn't work with Guardiola's style and bring in new players.
Chelsea - Fair play won't let him buy a new Chelsea team. Besides, I don't think Guardiola would particularly like it there, there are such epic changes needed too. Chelsea aren't his favourite team anyway, but I'm not sure he'd like that teen movie cliche of turning an ugly girl into the prom queen. He would help with the youth setup though.
Arsenal - The basic start of a system, but lacking the players required. Guardiola once said he had an entire B team of Jack Wiltsheres, how would he deal with having a team in which Jack Wiltshere is one of his better players? He can improve their system, motivate the players better, improve a ton of things about this side, but he'd die of frustration.
Liverpool - It's probably pointless to even outline the basic reasons why he isn't suited there... It's hard to think of things that would suit him there.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine - No, just no. Even picturing this is crazy. It might be a fun project for him, but Saudi Sportswashing Machine can't bankroll it.
Finally us, we can play his style, our youth setup isn't anything like what he's used to, he could bring players in, but I think we'd drive him nuts.
He won't return for a long time, so it's hard to predict which other clubs might be on that list in England. If Swansea somehow are competing for CL football in 4 years, maybe they'll suit him more than most, but it's hard to see how they'd find the resources he'd need, on the pitch they might suit him, but off the pitch it's not even going to be close unless they suddenly find a few million more fans and get a richer owner with a lot of cash to invest. (That's also assuming they're playing the same way.)
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Well, Messi is loyal, insanely loyal, but he owes Guardiola some loyalty too and Guardiola is probably the best manager Messi has ever had as far as 1 to 1 management goes.
But Messi has always said he wants to stay at Barca for as long as possible and when he's too old and brick to play for them anymore, he wants to go back to the club he was at in Argentina when he was about 12.
Messi is of the opinion that Barca gave him his chance, so he wants to repay them. I honestly feel that the worse things at Barca were, the more he'd want to stay to help... That said, all his friends that he grew up with are at Barca.
But even putting all that aside, if Emirates Marketing Project offered ?ú250 million for Messi, would Barca take it? If they offered Messi ?ú500k a week wages, would Messi take that? I think without Guardiola being at City, the offer wouldn't really matter to Messi, he'd rather stay at the club he's at with the team that was designed around him.
If the team fragments first or Guardiola first takes his friends and then offers Messi a chance to join, maybe that'd turn his head, but I still think he's loyal to Barca through and through.
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Well, Barca B had the Barca set up, so he had players with extremely good technical ability to work with. All Barca teams play in the Barca style so the youth players don't have to learn new systems and styles when they move up a rank, so it wasn't a huge change...
He's worked with far less talented players, but as far as technical ability goes, the only people that lacked the technical ability of Barca players were signings rather than youth products.
As for a midfield of Parker and Sandro, considering none of the Barca players were CBs until later in their development (Puyol was a winger, etc), you could see him trying to play Sandro as a CB.
But he'd be fine with that, he has Keita and Busquets, he used to have Yaya Toure, he's had plenty of DMs to work with, they're usually taller than Parker, but he likes having a DM or two around... He might make Hudds a DM though, I could totally see that.There are several really really bad things about Guardiola as a manager which are clear negative points, but he has so many plus points that anyone looking to hire a manager will feel outweigh the negatives. I think Guardiola will be a success wherever he goes, but I don't think he can turn Everton into the next Barca. He is a great manager, he is exceptional at motivating his team, he's very good tactically, he gets so much out of his players and his players want to play for him.
His Barca B team record is absolutely insane. His management style and the way he can make teams so much more than they were is amazing. I don't think there is anyone but Mourinho that can guarantee trophies wherever he goes, but Guardiola is a very very very very good manager, when you consider how many hundreds of managers there are that have managed in the top leagues, it's hard not to rank Guardiola in the top 10-20, some might rank him 3rd-5th and that's really hard to gauge, but he is in my top 10 comfortably.
Was offered Valencia for next year, 3rd best club in Spain, Europa League semi-finalists (he was offered the job before they were knocked out) and turned it down.
I don't think AVB needs to do that much rebuilding. It's very unlikely that another top club is going to want to sell the vast majority of their best players and bring in new ones. It's extremely unlikely he's going to come into a team, give them instructions and hear "no bruv, we don't do it like that" over here...
You know John Terry. Do you not remember his 1 man revolution at the World Cup? He looked very fudging stupid after trying to question Capello, even though Capello was having a nightmare of a World Cup.
Can you imagine the horrors of the entire England squad being behind Terry with the FA being made up of just Roman Abramovic? Capello is extremely experienced and strict, AVB had no hope in hell at that job...
Di Matteo isn't doing the same job AVB was trying to do. As bad as Chelsea made AVB look, it just highlighted that AVB was inexperienced and that he hadn't polished his man management skills.
At the start of the season, AVB was winning and playing all the old guys. I have to admit, he was playing a high line with John Terry which is silly and he should have known better, but the top top top jobs wouldn't have gone to AVB before he went to Chelsea and the people that would have given him a job will likely still give him a job.
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I'm fairly sure you were joking, but just in case... He wouldn't take the England job... This is a guy that slapped Fabregas around the head for being wasteful when they were a few goals up, can you imagine him trying to deal with the England side? Anyway, he'll take a break for a couple of years. Barca was his dream job, he's not going to step down there and manage somewhere else straight away.
Besides, he's not English... The England job only means something if you're old and/or English. I guess if you're not quite rich enough it might also mean something, but that's not Guardiola, besides, Barca would have paid him anything to keep him.
It'd be like SAF being offered the chance to manage Portugal, why would that appeal to him? It's actually worse, because a ton of Portugal players would get into the Man United side, he even knows Nani and a couple of others... There are very very very few England players that even make Barca's bench.
Rooney's first touch will annoy the fudge out of Guardiola, but he fits in where Villa did (which was the bench before he got injured)... Hart does have some decent ball control, but I don't know exactly how good he is with his feet because he's not often pressed (although at the end of the Arsenal match he did pull a ball out of the sky on the halfway line which was cool)... So seeing if Hart would make the first team or the bench would be interesting... Pinto is a good 2nd keeper for Barca though, he currently gets the cups.
Who else? Richards/Walker/Johnson as a back up to Alves (more height with Richards and Johnson, plus Richards could be a good RCB in his back 3, but these are all subs, none of them have the technical ability to get into the team), Terry is too slow to play for Barca, Cahill might make the sub bench? Barca need to sign a CB and they have Pique on the bench most of the time... Cole would fit, especially as Abidal needs more treatment.... They're missing him, they don't have a left back at the moment, they're using a left winger instead.
Midfield, Lampard might make the bench when Barca have a lot of injuries? Parker probably wouldn't make the bench because he doesn't fit the DM Barca uses and he's shorter than Modric according to the websites I checked his height on, so Barca can't play without someone even of average height.
The current England team would have a couple of first team players competing for first team places and a few would barely make the bench... These are back ups for subs for the most part...
Oh and the nation these would be rejects play for expects to compete at major tournaments. It's insane. You'd have to be fudging stupid to take the England job. Even with a little research, finding out that the country absolutely fudges up against semi pro teams would be enough to drive the curious away.
I really don't see Guardiola managing any international side in the near future though. I think he would hate to play Spain, but he wouldn't manage Spain.
To be honest, he might manage until he's 60 or 70, so he's got a lot of time in front of him, a break will do him good... Plus, look at quickly management cost him his hair...
Of course the FA has another vacancy that might better fit with Guardiola's background and desire to spend more time with his family......
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12016/7629918/FA-looks-for-technical-director
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12016/7629918/FA-looks-for-technical-director
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tm1210
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All his fudging lackies
Enter the Pitbull
Luke Young
[h=1]Hoddle: Caretaker best for England[/h]April 27, 2012
By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent
Glenn Hoddle believes England should be looking to appoint a caretaker manager for Euro 2012.
GettyImagesHarry Redknapp remains the favourite for the England job
• Shilton: Spurs blip good for FA
• Redknapp focused on Spurs
• Pearce: Plans in place
With the season drawing to a close, the Football Association is preparing to name a successor to Fabio Capello, with the national side still under the stewardship of Under-21 boss Stuart Pearce.
It is expected that Tottenham Hotspur manager Harry Redknapp will be approached about taking on the job but Hoddle, who managed England from 1996 until 1999, believes appointing a permanent boss prior to the tournament will add unnecessary pressure.
He told ESPNsoccernet: "An astute appointment by the FA would a caretaker, which would defuse all the pressure on the players and the manager who go to the tournament.
"This is such a big tournament that the players and manager are under enormous scrutiny. It cannot possibly be a good idea to subject a new full-time England manager to all of that with so little preparation time.
"All the small details of the preparation have already been sorted out by the FA, and it would make sense to bring in a caretaker and that will bring down 50% of all the hype, and expectation levels from the supporters.
"The players will turn up feeling that they have nothing to prove to the manager - they will feel as though they all have a chance of making the team, instead of knowing that the new manager will have a fixed idea and they are just turning up to make up the numbers, which is never conducive to a harmonious squad."
Hoddle believes Redknapp would accept the job, but feels Spurs will put up a fight to keep him despite the side's dismal form in recent months.
Hoddle says: "It might be tempting to stay at Spurs, where he has built so much. It was the same for me at Chelsea - it was tempting to want to carry on what I had started. But when your country calls, especially being an English coach, it is hard - in fact, impossible - to turn it down.
"But there will be stumbling blocks, as Spurs won't make it easy for the FA, that's for sure. I know also that Spurs have had a wobble and hit a bad patch but, if Harry was the right man for the job a few months back, he's the right man for the job now. It might not be as easy as everyone thinks to get him out of Tottenham."
By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent
Glenn Hoddle believes England should be looking to appoint a caretaker manager for Euro 2012.
• Shilton: Spurs blip good for FA
• Redknapp focused on Spurs
• Pearce: Plans in place
With the season drawing to a close, the Football Association is preparing to name a successor to Fabio Capello, with the national side still under the stewardship of Under-21 boss Stuart Pearce.
It is expected that Tottenham Hotspur manager Harry Redknapp will be approached about taking on the job but Hoddle, who managed England from 1996 until 1999, believes appointing a permanent boss prior to the tournament will add unnecessary pressure.
He told ESPNsoccernet: "An astute appointment by the FA would a caretaker, which would defuse all the pressure on the players and the manager who go to the tournament.
"This is such a big tournament that the players and manager are under enormous scrutiny. It cannot possibly be a good idea to subject a new full-time England manager to all of that with so little preparation time.
"All the small details of the preparation have already been sorted out by the FA, and it would make sense to bring in a caretaker and that will bring down 50% of all the hype, and expectation levels from the supporters.
"The players will turn up feeling that they have nothing to prove to the manager - they will feel as though they all have a chance of making the team, instead of knowing that the new manager will have a fixed idea and they are just turning up to make up the numbers, which is never conducive to a harmonious squad."
Hoddle believes Redknapp would accept the job, but feels Spurs will put up a fight to keep him despite the side's dismal form in recent months.
Hoddle says: "It might be tempting to stay at Spurs, where he has built so much. It was the same for me at Chelsea - it was tempting to want to carry on what I had started. But when your country calls, especially being an English coach, it is hard - in fact, impossible - to turn it down.
"But there will be stumbling blocks, as Spurs won't make it easy for the FA, that's for sure. I know also that Spurs have had a wobble and hit a bad patch but, if Harry was the right man for the job a few months back, he's the right man for the job now. It might not be as easy as everyone thinks to get him out of Tottenham."
yiddo2786
Steed Malbranque
Do Scousers know that you can printscreen on iPads, or has he nicked it so he doesn't have the instructions manual?
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I think the 'man management, letting good players play' approach was exactly what we needed at the time of Harry's arrival. We had a talented sqaud that shouldn't have been where it was and he got them playing how they should have been playing.
But now what we need IMO considering we have less budget than our competitors is something to make us perform better as a collective. If we had the money of Emirates Marketing Project I think Harry's approach could take us all the way to the top, but now a system or something to make us that bit more consistent and that's what Rodgers could bring. I'm not sure why the player's wouldn't take to it. It's not as if he will be asking us to play like Stoke. And Harry's 'motivational approach' doesn't mean that a different tactical system wouldn't be respected, motivation and tactics are two different things.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
BOL - agree 100%
Hotspur
Banned
Because you just know he would use the exact same tactics at every club he is going to manage?
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Almost every Manager does (it's something that most people don't realise, but once a Manager hits on a comfortable successful system they tend to stick with it through their career). What makes you think Guardiola would try and adapt?
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I think he will have to adapt. The chances of having the tools (and will/bravery) to play his system at another club are slim to none IMO.
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indianspur
Guest
Guardiola is intelligent enough to apapt.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Guardiola has had one full manager role, at a club where he was brought up, which is unique in its structure, where he had the tools to play his prefered way.
Moving anywhere else, I err on the side of caution myself.
No matter how intelligent he is, he will face decisions, issues, and obstacles he will never have encountered before.
All with the burden of what he achieved with Barca hanging over his head.
Moving anywhere else, I err on the side of caution myself.
No matter how intelligent he is, he will face decisions, issues, and obstacles he will never have encountered before.
All with the burden of what he achieved with Barca hanging over his head.
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indianspur
Guest
true, and wherever he goes there will be no Messi to save his ass
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
:ross: I just decided to read about Terry's attempted 'mutiny' at the World Cup again, what an absolute, complete an utter fool he is. An absolute deluded disgrace. Of course AVB failed in that environment. This article in particular http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/21/john-terry-dissent-england-coup makes clear what it's like at Chelsea, and how Terry thought he could get away with it with England too. I'm sure sometimes having influential figures voicing their opinion can help, as they must have some level of knowledge that they can bring to the table on how the plan is working. However, they fail to realise that maybe they aren't performing precisely because they don't just let the manager get on with it, trust him, and not act like they know more.
'Clear the air' meetings being commonplace in the post-Mourinho era of the club. No wonder Scolari failed. No wonder Ancellotti went. No wonder it didn't work for AVB. It was guarenteed not to work for AVB, because not only was he trying to do something a bit different (Chelsea players wouldn't have a hope in hell of playing Pep's style effectively, so I'd actually love to see the deluded tossers 'rise up' against his methods :ross
but his job was to eventually faze out the players who actually think they are more powerful than the manager. He was the exact wrong person for Chelsea, the complete opposite of what they need, as long as Terry and Lampard are at that club. Funnily, RDM is actually the exact right person they need. Someone who will be completely passive, put on a few training sessions to keep the players ticking over but ultimately the responsibility will be with the players to come up with solutions and how they think it should be done. They should give RDM the job, because no other manager is going to want to walk into that snakepit, Rodgers had first hand knowledge of it and knows he shouldn't go back. It will just be funny when they decide that RDM doesn't know what he's doing, and they need someone else, but no-one else of any substance will want to come. The best thing for that club to truly progress is to move out Terry and Lampard, because otherwise they will be playing them when they are well past their best and no other manager will want to get involved and build for the future. Anyway, this isn't a Chelsea thread, I just wanted to comment on it because it makes me believe more and more than AVB would be the right man for the job. Of course he failed at Chelsea. Not only was he a manager that had his own ideas. But he was a manager that had ideas that involved a playing style completely different to what those Chelsea players are used to. And he was a manager that was tasked with moving out the very players that thought they were more powerful than he was. I don't think he has a problem with man management at all. He seemed to be able to deal with people well enough at Porto, and the club he was at for his first job well enough to get success. He doesn't suddenly become a tosser just because he's walked into Chelsea. But those players never gave him a chance. Even early in the season, Lampard was openly showing dissent to him when he was subbed off at Saudi Sportswashing Machine, shaking his head like the manager didn't know what he was doing by taking him off.
He would not have that problem here. I'm absolutely sure of it. I hope we offer him the job, and I hope the fans give him a chance. The argument that the players might not respect him because they know Chelsea players I don't think holds up. The players know what the Chelsea players are like. According the news at the time, they were furious with Terry for attempting a Chelsea style mutiny with England, and Lennon was one of the people that wasn't very happy. I don't have a problem with his man management, because he went without problems at his first clubs, and it was only coming across Chelsea players that has thrown up this problem, players who he has been told he has to replace. People say he tried to do too much too quickly, but that's with hindsight, and people also say Giggs and Scholes are doing well still, so why can't Lampard and Terry. But the difference is Giggs and Scholes don't try to undermine SAF's authority. They are happy as sqaud players.
AVB first choice for me!
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Imagine the weight of expectation he would have on him if he took over at Spurs? I wouldnt want to be in his shoes...
Hotspur
Banned
Maybe because he isn't stupid
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Its not, it was abundantly clear after just a handful of games - and there was plenty of comment here alone to that effect.
Change needed to happen, but it didnt need to be instant - and AVB made some bad decisions in trying to force it so early on (IMO).
Thats not to say he wasnt onto a hiding to nothing all the same, but he certainly wasnt whiter than white during his tenure.